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On Kokan AAS v1 with RUS vs UK the bulldogs seem to be near unkillable. With side/rear shots doing little to no damage compared to the damage output of the bulldogs. The above clip doesn't illustrate the point as well as previous experiences I've had trying to kill these behemoths as they run all the way back to their main as I shoot peas into their rear. The final moments of the clip show rather well how much more damage they put out as well in comparison. It's just feels really unbalanced that the RUS side is not given a vehicle that can destroy the UK bulldogs. The only real method is to kill the gunners and watch them run back to main or let HATs and LATs work on them.

 

 

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Hmm.

I'm not sure, but to me it looked like you emptied a couple of mags onto the ground and not onto the vehicle. Hard to see tho because of the vegetation.
If you were shooting the ground, then that would make sense. If not, it seems a bit broken. Can't say for sure.

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On 10/11/2019 at 10:02 AM, Tony32 said:

Hmm.

I'm not sure, but to me it looked like you emptied a couple of mags onto the ground and not onto the vehicle. Hard to see tho because of the vegetation.
If you were shooting the ground, then that would make sense. If not, it seems a bit broken. Can't say for sure.

You can visibly see that hes not missing by the sparks, but nothing is broken.

Its just the bulldog has far superior armor then the btr because they are different class vehicles making it unfair. "InsanelyOrange" is saying that they should add a vehicle of the same class to make it fair.

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Like what? Russia doesnt have an equivalent. The Bulldog is heavily uparmored to withstand RPG:s etc but it also make it slow. The gunner also dies withing seconds so while its hard to kill it cannot kill anything either. The 14.5mm will not penetrate the Bulldog except the rear. and if you look at the amount of add on armor its understandable

 

The_first_delivery_of_the_upgraded_FV430

Edited by Pluto is a planet

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On 3/15/2020 at 6:46 PM, Pluto is a planet said:

Like what? Russia doesnt have an equivalent.

Russia does not have the equivalent, but they could add the BTR-82A.

 

To make it:        strong armor/low penetration        vs        weak armor/high penetration

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Imo, It looks more like a lack of experience over a game balance problem.
If you look up to @Pluto is a planet description, you cannot penetrate side/front with 14.5mm, most if not all your side shot bounced off; that's all the sparks you see @GUNNERBOMB69. You barely hit him in the back but you did some damage you can see it started smoking. Then you chased him and found yourself alone vs. 2 bulldogs tried your best to engage the turret but it was too late, your driver exposed both the side and rear armor to the second bulldog and he played you. 
You guys went for the easy kill and got ambushed, plain and simple. Base vehicles are pretty well balanced, you just need to learn how to take on a fight against them. I suggest you go in the range and play around with vehicles and their weak spots. 

 

Here's some wiki's reference to help you understand their differences:
<Bulldog>
- Armoured protection is pretty decent. Your frontal and side armour is the strongest you have, weak points are the roof and the rear doors.

- The .50 Cal is capable of engaging lightly armoured vehicles, but the gunner only gets iron sights to engage targets, limiting long range accuracy.

- Its an open top turret so as the gunner you are very exposed to enemy fire. Any jackass with an AK can shoot you out of your position.

MATCHUPS WITH VEHICLES OF COMPARABLE ROLE ARE AS FOLLOWS:
BTR-80 and BTR-82A: Both vehicles are much faster than you, but have weaker armour protection. The KPVT of the BTR-80 can destroy you if he gets the drop on you and the gunner is experienced. The BTR-82A can do the same thing much faster under the same conditions. Once again, your armour will deflect hits that will kill your gunner.

 

https://squad.gamepedia.com/FV432

Edited by STC - RaZoR

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On 4/28/2020 at 11:27 AM, STC - RaZoR said:

Imo, It looks more like a lack of experience over a game balance problem.
If you look up to @Pluto is a planet description, you cannot penetrate side/front with 14.5mm, most if not all your side shot bounced off; that's all the sparks you see @GUNNERBOMB69. You barely hit him in the back but you did some damage you can see it started smoking. Then you chased him and found yourself alone vs. 2 bulldogs tried your best to engage the turret but it was too late, your driver exposed both the side and rear armor to the second bulldog and he played you. 
You guys went for the easy kill and got ambushed, plain and simple. Base vehicles are pretty well balanced, you just need to learn how to take on a fight against them. I suggest you go in the range and play around with vehicles and their weak spots. 

 

Here's some wiki's reference to help you understand their differences:
<Bulldog>
- Armoured protection is pretty decent. Your frontal and side armour is the strongest you have, weak points are the roof and the rear doors.

- The .50 Cal is capable of engaging lightly armoured vehicles, but the gunner only gets iron sights to engage targets, limiting long range accuracy.

- Its an open top turret so as the gunner you are very exposed to enemy fire. Any jackass with an AK can shoot you out of your position.

MATCHUPS WITH VEHICLES OF COMPARABLE ROLE ARE AS FOLLOWS:
BTR-80 and BTR-82A: Both vehicles are much faster than you, but have weaker armour protection. The KPVT of the BTR-80 can destroy you if he gets the drop on you and the gunner is experienced. The BTR-82A can do the same thing much faster under the same conditions. Once again, your armour will deflect hits that will kill your gunner.

 

https://squad.gamepedia.com/FV432

Hilarious how you think wiki is a valid source for anything at this time.  Your own lack of experience really shows.

I don't blame you because Bulldog had been buggy and not popular for obvious reasons.  Only those of us who are experienced in every aspect of Squad can tell how good it actually is.

The reality is that BTR-82A only has enough AP rounds to kill one FV432, because of its massive 2k hp pool vs. 1k of BTRs.

(you got 100 rounds of AP that does 30 per penetration)

If you don't kill the gunner, you can actually lose a head-on fight against FV432 while in a BTR-82A.

And forget about killing it with BTR-80, you're going to have to reload at least twice just to be able to do enough damage to kill even one. (17 damage per penetration, 50 rounds per belt)

As of B18 you actually can at least penetrate the front by shooting the gunshield; that's probably getting changed to taking zero damage like Stryker unmanned turret in B19(hence another huge buff to FV432).

Finally, realism-wise the armor upgrade(ERA, here assuming *not* heavy-ERA for obvious reasons, plus cages) is only good against HEAT while it does very little against KE projectiles.
The base FV432 could barely defend against 12.7mm AP-I; 14.5mm IRL is a much more powerful round than 12.7/.50cal.
Please tell me you don't actually think those boxes are filled with steel/composite.  Basic knowledge on armored vehicle protection should tell you that they're likely just ERA blocks with increase standoff distance from the actual hull armor(so it doesn't destroy the fragile aluminium hull on its own).  And obviously, the cages to basically nothing to KE projectiles.

Considering the age of the vehicle, it deserves only 1000hp, not 2000(same as that of Warrior + all NATO IFVs); but it just *needs* to be better than Russian counterparts for developers' nationalism reasons.

Fun fact: with current combination of HP pool and same HEAT-damage modifier as Stryker/BMP-2, it will take more LAT to destroy than every vehicle below a MBT, and it's just one round off from MBT.

In conclusion, FV432 is already fairly op for its class/availability(crew does not need to be crewmen kits).

It's a counterpart to MTLB yet it's twice as good in vast majority of cases.
It's not that slow either, after the speed fix.  Hence why wiki is a poor source for info - FV432 isn't that much slower anymore, if at all.

No, none of the Russian vehicles' supposed superiority compensates for the fact that UK infantry is just generally better.

Edited by EcchiRevenge

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