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Hey there! I am planning on getting a new pc, and this is what I want.

 

CPU: INTEL CORE i5-7600k 3.8 Ghz
GPU: GEFORCE GTX 1050ti Asus Expedition
Motherboard: MSI B150M BAZOOKA                                      
RAM: HyperX Fury DDR4 2133MHz 8GB (MAYBE I will go for 12)
CASE: Fractal Define Nano S Black
POWER SUPPLY: Corsair VS650, 650W PSU

 

Is there anything bad with it?

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Nothing bad, but I suggest swapping the 1050ti for RX470 - it's like 30€ more expensive but you get 30-50% better performance. You don't need a 650W PSU either, 450W is more than enough. Perhaps upgrade RAM frequency as 2133Mhz is pretty low. Keep in mind AMD releases their 4 core Ryzen CPUs in early April, prices could drop if nothing else.  Good luck.

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DO NOT buy a B150 motherboard with that CPU, get the cheapest Z270 board you can find. Also don't buy DDR4 under 3000mhz, and the 1050ti is not that great, aim for 470/480 4GB or look at good gtx 970/980 or r9 390/390x deals. If you can afford that power supply, keep it for future upgrades on the GPU side.

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6 hours ago, MrOcto said:

DO NOT buy a B150 motherboard with that CPU, get the cheapest Z270 board you can find. Also don't buy DDR4 under 3000mhz, and the 1050ti is not that great, aim for 470/480 4GB or look at good gtx 970/980 or r9 390/390x deals. If you can afford that power supply, keep it for future upgrades on the GPU side.

 

Whats wrong with under 3000 mhz ram?

And why not a B150 motherboard?

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The difference between lets say 2133mhz and 3000mhz can be around 5-10 fps in many games and since the price isn't that much higher, it's better to buy higher mhz RAM.

 

The B150 motherboards are for Skylake CPUs originally, a Kaby Lake CPU might not work out of the box but most likely it will need a BIOS update to support Kaby Lake. Also, if buying an overclocking CPU (7600k) it makes sense to buy an overclocking motherboard, which B150 is not. You will need either a Z170 + BIOS update or a Z270 motherboard. Keep in mind some motherboards need a supported CPU to update the BIOS so I wouldn't risk it with either a B150/Z170 board.

Buy the cheapest Z270 board you can find. Since you're from Norway you can check out mindfactory.de they have great prices and ship to your country.

 

About the GPU, I would not buy a 1050ti, which is basically a GTX 770 with new features and less power consumption. Buy at least a RX 470 4GB if buying new. I'd look around for good deals for GTX 970/980, those are fantastic for their current price (150/220€ 2nd hand) and can OC a lot as well.

 

You might also want to wait for AMD r5 CPUs which will release in about 2 weeks, and shortly after their refresh of rx 400 series named rx 500. I think the rx 570/580 will drop in price and or remaining rx 470/480 cards will be cheap to get. You could in theory get a rx 480 4gb for 150€ which is insane.

 

If you have any questions feel free to ask, I do this for a living :)

 

Greets

 

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1 hour ago, MrOcto said:

The difference between lets say 2133mhz and 3000mhz can be around 5-10 fps in many games and since the price isn't that much higher, it's better to buy higher mhz RAM.

 

The B150 motherboards are for Skylake CPUs originally, a Kaby Lake CPU might not work out of the box but most likely it will need a BIOS update to support Kaby Lake. Also, if buying an overclocking CPU (7600k) it makes sense to buy an overclocking motherboard, which B150 is not. You will need either a Z170 + BIOS update or a Z270 motherboard. Keep in mind some motherboards need a supported CPU to update the BIOS so I wouldn't risk it with either a B150/Z170 board.

Buy the cheapest Z270 board you can find. Since you're from Norway you can check out mindfactory.de they have great prices and ship to your country.

 

About the GPU, I would not buy a 1050ti, which is basically a GTX 770 with new features and less power consumption. Buy at least a RX 470 4GB if buying new. I'd look around for good deals for GTX 970/980, those are fantastic for their current price (150/220€ 2nd hand) and can OC a lot as well.

 

You might also want to wait for AMD r5 CPUs which will release in about 2 weeks, and shortly after their refresh of rx 400 series named rx 500. I think the rx 570/580 will drop in price and or remaining rx 470/480 cards will be cheap to get. You could in theory get a rx 480 4gb for 150€ which is insane.

 

If you have any questions feel free to ask, I do this for a living :)

 

Greets

 

 

Ah okay, I dont really look to overclock cpu's and that kind of thing, I just want to play games as long as they run smooth. I am already over my budget with this build so I dont think I can do any better for the same price...

And is updating your BIOS a bad thing, and how do you do it?

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Updating your BIOS is mostly a good thing, but can be complicated if you're new to these kinds of things.

 

What is your budget?

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3 hours ago, MrOcto said:

Updating your BIOS is mostly a good thing, but can be complicated if you're new to these kinds of things.

 

What is your budget?

EURO:  821 €

POUND: 715,65 £

DOLLAR: 883,27 $

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PowerColor RX470

i5-7600k

MSI Z270

2x 4GB G.Skill 3200mhz DDR4

BeQuiet 500W

Corsair 200R

1TB Seagate

is just below your price range at MindFactory. It has everything but an SSD which you can simply add later (and reinstall the whole OS lol).

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For that little extra, you can get a smashing gaming PC...

 

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So if you can squeeze that extra 80-100€, you'll end up with a great rig. (80-100 cause they charge extra shipping for PC cases)

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23 minutes ago, MrOcto said:

For that little extra, you can get a smashing gaming PC...

 

JIL1OJj.png

 

So if you can squeeze that extra 80-100€, you'll end up with a great rig. (80-100 cause they charge extra shipping for PC cases)

 

Thanks for taking the time to do this, indeed this is a smashing gaming pc, thing is, I live in Norway, ill see if its the same price or even cheaper.

 

1 hour ago, banOkay said:

PowerColor RX470

i5-7600k

MSI Z270

2x 4GB G.Skill 3200mhz DDR4

BeQuiet 500W

Corsair 200R

1TB Seagate

is just below your price range at MindFactory. It has everything but an SSD which you can simply add later (and reinstall the whole OS lol).

 

Thanks, Ill check the prices of these components too.

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For some reason it costs waaay more than what it costs where you guys live.

1 hour ago, banOkay said:

PowerColor RX470

i5-7600k

MSI Z270

2x 4GB G.Skill 3200mhz DDR4

BeQuiet 500W

Corsair 200R

1TB Seagate

is just below your price range at MindFactory. It has everything but an SSD which you can simply add later (and reinstall the whole OS lol).

 

Is the RX 470 ASUS STRIX as good as powercolor? Its cheaper here too.

Also what z270 model?

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1 hour ago, ReckingOrange said:

http://www.prisjakt.no this website gives you the best deal from all over norway.

 

Case: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3450001 comes with 3 preinstalled fans

Motherboard: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=4095763 good mobo for the price, offers OC support down the line for 7600/7700k upgrades

CPU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=4020360 solid CPU

GPU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3794244 it's a RX 480, expect to max out games at 1080p

RAM: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3826697 cheapest 3000mhz stick

PSU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=1042584 (owned one of these, rock solid PSU - german design, made in china)

SSD: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=2978935 good quality SSD

 

~ 7322 NOK - 804,5€

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, MrOcto said:

 

Case: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3450001 comes with 3 preinstalled fans

Motherboard: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=4095763 good mobo for the price, offers OC support down the line for 7600/7700k upgrades

CPU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=4020360 solid CPU

GPU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3794244 it's a RX 480, expect to max out games at 1080p

RAM: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3826697 cheapest 3000mhz stick

PSU: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=1042584 (owned one of these, rock solid PSU - german design, made in china)

SSD: https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=2978935 good quality SSD

 

~ 7322 NOK - 804,5€

 

 

 

 

Holy, thanks, I think I am gonna buy that build. Man thanks alot for the help, you are awesome! Just need to sell this pc to buy a new one, you know I was dumb enough to buy a prebuilt shitty dell pc for like 900€.

What about CPU Cooler though?

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1 hour ago, ReckingOrange said:

 

Holy, thanks, I think I am gonna buy that build. Man thanks alot for the help, you are awesome! Just need to sell this pc to buy a new one, you know I was dumb enough to buy a prebuilt shitty dell pc for like 900€.

What about CPU Cooler though?

 

That CPU is a BOX version, which comes with a stock Intel cooler. It's not the best, but it does the job.

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4 minutes ago, Psyrus said:

You said you don't plan to over clock... No need for a custom cooler then

The K version of Intel CPU are shipped without a "Stock cooler" nowadays I thought?! (At least my 6700k came without one)

 

EDT: God damn ninjas! Apperantly they do still come with a stock one, but the stock cooler is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to loud, If you don´t overclock use a cheap under 100 TDP one I would say.

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52 minutes ago, Psyrus said:

 


I call massive bs on this.

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=4

Can you provide benchmarks that back up your claim of many games benefiting 5-10 fps based off memory speed increases alone?

 

 

(this video is actually a bit "flawed" since it has GPU bottlenecks, but I still wanted to include it)

 

In some games it does not make any difference, in some it does quite a lot. As I wrote, it CAN be a difference of 5-10 fps. Also, when buying new stuff I always advise my clients to spend that few extra bucks on such things. As Squad is heavily CPU bound right now (for the most part) faster RAM is better to have.

 

Arma 3 is another game that benefits from faster RAM and is closer to Squad as a game. - Arma%20III%20cpu%20vs%20ram.png

 

Here are some other DDR4 speed comparisons in games:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

 

If you have any other doubts please feel free to ask, like I said, I do this for a living.

 

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4 hours ago, MrOcto said:

 

(this video is actually a bit "flawed" since it has GPU bottlenecks, but I still wanted to include it)

 

In some games it does not make any difference, in some it does quite a lot. As I wrote, it CAN be a difference of 5-10 fps. Also, when buying new stuff I always advise my clients to spend that few extra bucks on such things. As Squad is heavily CPU bound right now (for the most part) faster RAM is better to have.

 

Arma 3 is another game that benefits from faster RAM and is closer to Squad as a game. - Arma%20III%20cpu%20vs%20ram.png

 

Here are some other DDR4 speed comparisons in games:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

 

If you have any other doubts please feel free to ask, like I said, I do this for a living.

 

 

Sorry for asking many questions, but the build you gave to me (the one on the website prisjakt) had RAM that was 3000 mhz which the motherboard supports but the cpu only supports upto 2400 mhz?

 

Also one more question.

What is the difference between a Intel CPU with a K at the end and a Intel CPU without a K at the end?

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1 hour ago, ReckingOrange said:

 

Sorry for asking many questions, but the build you gave to me (the one on the website prisjakt) had RAM that was 3000 mhz which the motherboard supports but the cpu only supports upto 2400 mhz?

 

Also one more question.

What is the difference between a Intel CPU with a K at the end and a Intel CPU without a K at the end?

 

It supports it. With the Z270 motherboard you can enable XMP on the RAM so it basically "overclocks" itself to 3000mhz, don't worry about it, it's perfectly safe and in spec as the RAM is guaranteed to run at 3000mhz and very easy to do.

The Intel CPUs witk K at the end are unlocked CPUs, which means they have an unlocked multiplier which is used to overclock. Non K Intel CPUs have a locked multiplier. For instance, 6700K has a base clock of 4000mhz (40x100), to over clock it you'd change it to 45x100 etc, you can't do that with non K Intel CPUs, although the multiplier will change during use, like when Turbo is engaged or when CPU is idling it will lower the multiplier to save energy.

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 In some games it does not make any difference, in some it does quite a lot. As I wrote, it CAN be a difference of 5-10 fps. Also, when buying new stuff I always advise my clients to spend that few extra bucks on such things. As Squad is heavily CPU bound right now (for the most part) faster RAM is better to have.

Arma 3 is another game that benefits from faster RAM and is closer to Squad as a game. - Arma%20III%20cpu%20vs%20ram.png

Here are some other DDR4 speed comparisons in games:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

If you have any other doubts please feel free to ask, like I said, I do this for a living.


Thanks for the links, they were good to read (and listen to). I've done a reasonable amount of reading about memory latency, speed and amount with regard to gaming performance, and the vast majority had always concluded that the fps gains were negligible. Admittedly,I've been out of the pc building game for quite a while now, but it's fascinating to see what a difference it made to a few of those games.

It has piqued my interest because I've seen players with very decent cpus complaining of low ish fps but then other players with near identical systems getting significantly better performance... Could it be down to the ram?

You say that you do this for a living (system builder?)... Would you be able to benchmark squad (non scientifically since there is no benchmark tool) using the three most popular tiers of ram speeds? If you're not a hardware store owner then never mind, but I thought it would be cool to have a definitive answer on that one but I certainly don't have cash to burn to buy three sets.

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On 3/17/2017 at 8:08 AM, ReckingOrange said:

Hey there! I am planning on getting a new pc, and this is what I want.

 

CPU: INTEL CORE i5-7600k 3.8 Ghz
GPU: GEFORCE GTX 1050ti Asus Expedition
Motherboard: MSI B150M BAZOOKA                                      
RAM: HyperX Fury DDR4 2133MHz 8GB (MAYBE I will go for 12)
CASE: Fractal Define Nano S Black
POWER SUPPLY: Corsair VS650, 650W PSU

 

Is there anything bad with it?

 

Nope bad. Don't waste your money.

Save up and get a manly i7-7700K, MSI Gaming (Or whatever) 1080ti, MSI Z270, and big ass Intel or Corsair SSD. Get a nice clean Corsair case like the 750D, a good Corsair RM or AX 750 PSU, get VERY fast Corsair RAM, lots of it. Get the best Corsair Cooler you can get.

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16 hours ago, Psyrus said:

 


I call massive bs on this.

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=4

Can you provide benchmarks that back up your claim of many games benefiting 5-10 fps based off memory speed increases alone?

 




Call BS all you want, it's a fact. I see it several times a day. We put like 10-20 boxes a week together, and test almost everything on BF4/BF1, and I see 5+FPS diffs all the time from one slower RAM system, to a fully built custom system's that we OC to the moon. ALL. THE. TIME. How is this not common knowledge nowadays? I guess when you are an industry insider, and have built several thousand system's, you make the mistake of assuming what counts for common knowledge sometimes. Still, you might not want to come on someone's thread talking trash, "calling them out", on something so damn obviousl and well known. When BF4 launched, I was seeing 10+ FPS differences, MIN. and man, was the frame timing, and other things so much smoother. 

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