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I'm pretty sure it has been said & maybe actually confirmed by our Devs...No BombCars/or any suicide bombers will be added to Squad,due to (Political sensativity) in this matter.

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Excuse my ignorance, can you elaborate this political sensitivity as I do not understand that?

 

 

How I see it:

We have all seen similiar style warfare tactic being shown in other games with no problem and nobody made a big deal out of it (because its not). By similiar I mean stuff like banzai charge by japanese in RO2, heck even PR has bomb cars and nobody made a big deal out of it, the german people are very sensitve to WW2 stuff yet we could play as volunteer SS units on Darkest Hour with nobody complaining, it was even more immersive. In flight simms you got swastikas on WW2 planes its a historical marking as RAF roundel is on Spitfires etc. I could go on for hours about stuff like this... You even got people in britain dedicated to reanacment of ww2 and that includes axis unit. I would not be suprised that after some years people will reanact suicide bombers in the same way as they do WW2 or Vietnam.

 

Car bombs are just another way to wage war and thats it, theres nothing more to it. And they do it, they have been doing it for a long time its nothing recent or new in the middle-eastern part of the world.

 

So what exactly dictates/blocks our developers to not implement a car bomb in Squad?

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im pretty sure suicide vests is a definite no, i think bomb cars too.

Basically what i think is that - politically it sends a bad signal, though i agree (only on bomb cars) that it would be good for the irregular warfare and balance to the insurgents.

- gameplay wise i see that it is kind of problematic to encourage suicides, as it is not really a fun way to play - so you could use it as a static bomb then (but obviously the IED's that are confirmed will fill out that role)

Im kind of glad they wont make bombcars and suicide vests... Tbh i dont really know much about this stuff. however i dont think its that common to use suicide tactics in warfare, more to hit civilian targets and so on. (i see the gif on your post, but i dont know if its all that common anyway)

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27 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Excuse my ignorance, can you elaborate this political sensitivity as I do not understand that?

 

 

How I see it:

We have all seen similiar style warfare tactic being shown in other games with no problem and nobody made a big deal out of it (because its not). By similiar I mean stuff like banzai charge by japanese in RO2, heck even PR has bomb cars and nobody made a big deal out of it, the german people are very sensitve to WW2 stuff yet we could play as volunteer SS units on Darkest Hour with nobody complaining, it was even more immersive. In flight simms you got swastikas on WW2 planes its a historical marking as RAF roundel is on Spitfires etc. I could go on for hours about stuff like this... You even got people in britain dedicated to reanacment of ww2 and that includes axis unit. I would not be suprises that after some years people will reanect suicide bombers in the same way as they do WW2.

 

Car bombs are just another way to wage war and thats it, theres nothing more to it. And they do it, they have been doing it for a long time its nothing recent or new in the middle-eastern part of the world.

 

So what exactly dictates/blocks our developers to not implement a car bomb in Squad?

Im pretty sure that swastikas are removed from games in germany. Bought L4D as i lived in germany (spend a year there). My version is a lot less bloody than my brothers version.

 

Project Reality can have bombcars since it is a mod and not a comercial product sold on steam/in stores.

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11 minutes ago, Shovely Joe said:

im pretty sure suicide vests is a definite no, i think bomb cars too.

Basically what i think is that - politically it sends a bad signal, though i agree (only on bomb cars) that it would be good for the irregular warfare and balance to the insurgents.

- gameplay wise i see that it is kind of problematic to encourage suicides, as it is not really a fun way to play - so you could use it as a static bomb then (but obviously the IED's that are confirmed will fill out that role)

Im kind of glad they wont make bombcars and suicide vests... Tbh i dont really know much about this stuff. however i dont think its that common to use suicide tactics in warfare, more to hit civilian targets and so on. (i see the gif on your post, but i dont know if its all that common anyway)

 

The problem with IEDs is that they cant be used as an offensive weapon. You have to hope enemy will drive to the spot where you placed the IED. This is a pretty useless way to take out a CROW/tank parked on a hill behind a flag. Therefore i think Insurgents really need bombcars, but im not sure if they can be added because of rules in some contries, age restrictions and publicity (remember that fallujah game that made FOX go crazy?).

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23 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Excuse my ignorance, can you elaborate this political sensitivity as I do not understand that?

 

 

How I see it:

We have all seen similiar style warfare tactic being shown in other games with no problem and nobody made a big deal out of it (because its not). By similiar I mean stuff like banzai charge by japanese in RO2, heck even PR has bomb cars and nobody made a big deal out of it, the german people are very sensitve to WW2 stuff yet we could play as volunteer SS units on Darkest Hour with nobody complaining, it was even more immersive. In flight simms you got swastikas on WW2 planes its a historical marking as RAF roundel is on Spitfires etc. I could go on for hours about stuff like this... You even got people in britain dedicated to reanacment of ww2 and that includes axis unit. I would not be suprised that after some years people will reanact suicide bombers in the same way as they do WW2 or Vietnam.

 

Car bombs are just another way to wage war and thats it, theres nothing more to it. And they do it, they have been doing it for a long time its nothing recent or new in the middle-eastern part of the world.

 

So what exactly dictates/blocks our developers to not implement a car bomb in Squad?

 

Not sure what about Darkest Hour but having the SS in Games can be a very touchy subject in Germany and Swastikas are generally censored. Never played Darkest Hour but in Hoi2 for example I do recall some Censorship, e.g. having "Hiller" instead of "Hitler" (yes, its that ridiculous)

 

PR had a lot of freedom when it came to such things because it was a mod and therefore never hat to go through any rating- or approval-process.

Squad on the other hand is a Stand-Alone-Game and runs the risk of beeing censored, indexed or forbidden in certain countries.

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I used the search function. I just type VBIED (Vehicle born IED) and SVBIED(Suicide vehicle born IED) and this is what I found :)

Please try to limit the clone threads. I've seen this discussion pop up multiple times in the past year.
 

 

On 3/29/2016 at 6:30 PM, IrOnTaXi said:

Actually..  no..  as per usual you guys read largely what you want to read in these situations. 

Here are the facts. 

Suicide bombers : We are generally completely against this and don't plan on ever seeing them. (99.99% no)

VBIEDs: Not in our immediate plans for our core game but I don't see why they aren't something that could show up in some form. (75% likely if squad does well and achieves it's core goals (and insurgents become a big part of core game in future)) (Caveat: I can already see the insurgents as the most underplayed faction but we aim to give them some teeth in the future. Just not Suicide bombers)

IEDs: Already on the way. 

 

That's the final word.. no more speculative threads. 

 

PS,  If you knew how much I love asymmetry you would have no doubts the insurgents will be a fun faction when we finally get around to maturing their mechanics. I designed the original PR militia faction

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47 minutes ago, Romby said:

The problem with IEDs is that they cant be used as an offensive weapon. You have to hope enemy will drive to the spot where you placed the IED. This is a pretty useless way to take out a CROW/tank parked on a hill behind a flag.

 

You need to think of this the other way round, as the driver of said CROW/tank. You know there are IEDs somewhere so your movement is now cautious. IED...job done.

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Thats good info, thanks Dubs. Good to know that VBIED is more than a possibity then and I am happy about that actually. Suicide vests can come with mod support later on, but I think having VBIEDs in vanila version is better. The gameplay will be very interesting, I can already imagine siuations...

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I'm hoping mods come through for at least VBIEDs and possibly suicide vests.

 

That's the great thing about games with modding communities- nothing is impossible and they're not restricted by the Public Relations issues that devs like Offworld are.

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didn't one of the call of duty games start out with you going in an massicaring a whole lot of civilians in an airport? they got away with warcrimes where a suicide bomb is not a warcrime when not targeting civilians (even though it's usually idiot kids, but isn't that what all armies are filled with? the ignorant) 

 

i'll stand by for the negative rep. 

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7 hours ago, Shovely Joe said:

im pretty sure suicide vests is a definite no, i think bomb cars too.

Really stupid if true. If only PR had the player numbers of Squad!

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in one of really old interviews i thought i heard bomb cars and ieds for anti tank purposes were on table. it was suicide vests that weren't. (though this was early this year in like January or February things change obviously.) whether they well be implemented idk but i remember hear about them in an interview with the PR (public relation) guy. :)

 

they don't even have to make them suicide weapons by making a button to lock gass pedal in place and bail out making them not have suicide involved. :D

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Bomb cars...not interested.

IEDs placed around town which can be defused by demolitions specialist.... very interested.

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18 hours ago, GeckoNotail said:

 

You need to think of this the other way round, as the driver of said CROW/tank. You know there are IEDs somewhere so your movement is now cautious. IED...job done.

But think of the total waste of resources. Placing a bomb and then having to watch it forever. 

9 hours ago, lightspeed said:

Bomb cars...not interested.

IEDs placed around town which can be defused by demolitions specialist.... very interested.

Sounds like you are only interested in playing US and having the insurgent players as extras in your game. Bomb car are needed to give ins a possible offensive weapon. 

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No, im not for US, that's why terrorist can place IED. But US must have ability to diffuse.

Bomb car are not needed.

 

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41 minutes ago, lightspeed said:

No, im not for US, that's why terrorist can place IED. But US must have ability to diffuse.

Bomb car are not needed.

 

Define "needed"

 

Bomb cars were fun in PR, and gave ins an offensive weapon. They should be added. The US has the ability to LAT them before they get close.

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If bomb cars are excluded because of "political sensitivity" or some bullshit, I might start regretting buying this game, and I bought it when it was on kickstarter. Having no gore was already a major let down for me but at least they had some shallow gameplay reasons to explain it. Not putting in bomb cars because some countries' governments might not like it is bullshit. It's an authentic and effective tactic against military targets and an important element of the game to balance insurgents. It's just asinine to not put them in a war game because of "sensitivity". At least Squad will be easy to mod so modders can fix a lot of this stuff.

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7 hours ago, Romby said:

But think of the total waste of resources. Placing a bomb and then having to watch it forever. 

 

Should remove FOBs too. Think of the total waste of resources. Placing a spawn point and then having to watch it forever.

 

Unless there was some sort of tactical advantage to be gained by fortifying and defending a particular area...

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VBIED's in Squad would be so dope. They play such a huge role in the middle east wars. Who the f.. cares if it's inappropriate or hurts some fu.... hipsters feelings? Limit these vehicles 1 per map and make it slow cuz of the added armor and weight it carries. All it takes is 1 accurate LAW or any IFV  to take that thing out. Im against the suicide vests but fully for these vehicles. Make terroist faction great again.  Allahu Akbar!

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I think static, well positioned IED's will be all thats needed, the maps only really allow limited certain vehicle movement to points (if you need to move fast).

Another nice balance would be to up the Insurgents/Milita RPG ammo count by 1 HEAT. But that will all come in beta I guess.

 

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6 minutes ago, Shoshin said:

I think static, well positioned IED's will be all thats needed, the maps only really allow limited certain vehicle movement to points (if you need to move fast).

Another nice balance would be to up the Insurgents/Milita RPG ammo count by 1 HEAT. But that will all come in beta I guess.

 

limited per 1  PG-7VR and we have a deal xD

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On 11/26/2016 at 10:20 AM, ZachTheGunner said:

If bomb cars are excluded because of "political sensitivity" or some bullshit, I might start regretting buying this game, and I bought it when it was on kickstarter. Having no gore was already a major let down for me but at least they had some shallow gameplay reasons to explain it. Not putting in bomb cars because some countries' governments might not like it is bullshit. It's an authentic and effective tactic against military targets and an important element of the game to balance insurgents. It's just asinine to not put them in a war game because of "sensitivity". At least Squad will be easy to mod so modders can fix a lot of this stuff.

 

It's not called bullshit, it's called real world politics and policies. Even though you don't like it you have to be able to see the situation from a growing game development studio's perspective. I mean, if you want to uninstall the game because they won't officially add bomb cars, go ahead, but that won't change the routes developers have to take.

 

P.S. I'm for bomb cars and historically accurate free speech/expression in video games.

 

As I said before, I hope the modding communities add them- but what you said seems really ignorant and unfair to game developers.

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