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I remember a post that said that's hard to implement because you need to put a node on every object on the map. But yeah, I'd really love that too.

Devs want barrel heating too! :)

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Oh yeah, I forgot.. I know nothing about coding and making games  :lol: 
Would have been nice though :wub: 

Thanks for the answare though  ^_^

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I hope we can discuss the different weapons and shit here right?

I really hope they do something about the aimpoint for the M249 mg, they should have it so it's the same size as the M4-aimpoint IMO..


Next the skins for us SL backers should really be worked on, they look like crap to be honest, they just changed the colour in pain. No offense  :unsure:

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Alright folks, I assume we've all read the January Monthly Recap and seen the KS-23 model, and I saw a motherload of comments regarding the implementation of the gun. So I guess instead of talking about it on the post itself, I'd rather migrate this topic here for banter and vivid discussion, since this is the longest running weapons thread, and a fairly general one too. Not to mention most of the people who debated about it also seem to pop up on this thread too. Thanks dvsilverwing :P

 

So I think the KS-23 is alright really, they didn't say it is meant for the Russian Ground Forces, so it is perfectly fine to assume it is available for the Militia forces. After all, they were used in Chechen, so it is likely some popped up in the hands of the rebels really... I hope the Russian dudes don't get shotguns though, they've got other cool stuff to try out instead for knocking doors down.

 

(Am I beating a dead horse? Please tell me I'm not :( )

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So I think the KS-23 is alright really, they didn't say it is meant for the Russian Ground Forces, so it is perfectly fine to assume it is available for the Militia forces.

 

They're extremely rare.But even if you find somehow this weapon - you can't find needed ammo for it.They have unique rounds(Or probably we may say,grenades).

 

 

After all, they were used in Chechen, so it is likely some popped up in the hands of the rebels really...

hmmm... you're absolutely wrong.It wasn't CT operation.It was full scale war.

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Alright folks, I assume we've all read the January Monthly Recap and seen the KS-23 model, and I saw a motherload of comments regarding the implementation of the gun. So I guess instead of talking about it on the post itself, I'd rather migrate this topic here for banter and vivid discussion, since this is the longest running weapons thread, and a fairly general one too. Not to mention most of the people who debated about it also seem to pop up on this thread too. Thanks dvsilverwing :P

 

So I think the KS-23 is alright really, they didn't say it is meant for the Russian Ground Forces, so it is perfectly fine to assume it is available for the Militia forces. After all, they were used in Chechen, so it is likely some popped up in the hands of the rebels really... I hope the Russian dudes don't get shotguns though, they've got other cool stuff to try out instead for knocking doors down.

 

(Am I beating a dead horse? Please tell me I'm not :( )

The problem is that it's not an alright to shoehorn them into the militia faction and they certainly were never a major weapon that the Chechens had tons of. The devs also did not deny that it was for the Russian faction (at least not to my knowledge) when it was brought up and instead got defense about the idea of adding it into the game. There are many, many more realistic and interesting shotguns they could've added to the game for the militia faction as well as quite a few more realistic shotgun/alternative options that probably wouldn't have set the Russian guys on the forums off too much. 

 

I don't think it's beating a dying horse to discuss why it should/shouldn't be in game, I think it's beating a dying horse to try and convince the devs that what they've done is based on a poor decision.

 

They're extremely rare.But even if you find somehow this weapon - you can't find needed ammo for it.They have unique rounds(Or probably we may say,grenades).

 

 

hmmm... you're absolutely wrong.It wasn't CT operation.It was full scale war.

 

This is true as well. Chechnya wasn't an insurgency, it was a full scale war both times. The only time that Chechnya was an insurgency was after the Chechen military had been thoroughly rotted by Jihadists. 

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The problem is that it's not an alright to shoehorn them into the militia faction and they certainly were never a major weapon that the Chechens had tons of. The devs also did not deny that it was for the Russian faction (at least not to my knowledge) when it was brought up and instead got defense about the idea of adding it into the game. There are many, many more realistic and interesting shotguns they could've added to the game for the militia faction as well as quite a few more realistic shotgun/alternative options that probably wouldn't have set the Russian guys on the forums off too much. 

 

I'm absolutely fine with Militia getting the KS-23 since they are completely fictional.

 

However, I do agree that at some point in the future a more fitting weapon should be found for the Russians. But it is no where near a priority since the role of shotguns is utility rather than actual combat, at least as I understand it

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I'm absolutely fine with Militia getting the KS-23 since they are completely fictional.

 

However, I do agree that at some point in the future a more fitting weapon should be found for the Russians. But it is no where near a priority since the role of shotguns is utility rather than actual combat, at least as I understand it

 

While they're fictional they should also be grounded in reality. I think it's pretty obvious that there are some parallels between the insurgents and Al-Qaeda/the Taliban and it's clear as day to me that the Militia is likely trying to portray the Novorossiyan rebels to some degree. I see they have a need for a shotgun, and if the devs ever asked anyone I would've liked to have been there to tell them that it's a bad idea, but what's done is done and the devs aren't going to let go of something that they've worked hard on just because some people on the forums have told them it's inaccurate and has very little chance of appearing in real life. I'm fine with it being in game for no other reason than it's already been made. 

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While they're fictional they should also be grounded in reality. I think it's pretty obvious that there are some parallels between the insurgents and Al-Qaeda/the Taliban and it's clear as day to me that the Militia is likely trying to portray the Novorossiyan rebels to some degree. I see they have a need for a shotgun, and if the devs ever asked anyone I would've liked to have been there to tell them that it's a bad idea, but what's done is done and the devs aren't going to let go of something that they've worked hard on just because some people on the forums have told them it's inaccurate and has very little chance of appearing in real life. I'm fine with it being in game for no other reason than it's already been made. 

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3D art is nothing easy, I'd hate to see such a lovely model go to waste. Maybe one day people can even port that model to mod other games non-commercially like what people do with DICE's models.

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sorry to repeat myself again but i, and many others here in the forum, would love G3's for the Insurgents/Taliban or/and Militian forces.

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Lol you need to search further up the Weapon Thread my friend. Z-Trooper says he loves G3A3s.

 

In fact, just put G3A3 into the search bar now.

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sorry to repeat myself again but i, and many others here in the forum, would love G3's for the Insurgents/Taliban or/and Militian forces.

 

I don't think the G3 would sit well with any faction currently in game. It's a weapon that saw minor faction with rebel/government groups in Africa, but that's really about the extent of it's usage by non-European powers. There are, of course, photos of the odd insurgent with one in real life, but the M16A2 and AKM variants are much, much more common. 

 

Lol you need to search further up the Weapon Thread my friend. Z-Trooper says he loves G3A3s.

 

In fact, just put G3A3 into the search bar now.

 

Everyone loves the G3 until they get the chance to fire an FAL. It's damn shame that Belgium refused to grant Germany the production rights to the G1. 

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While they're fictional they should also be grounded in reality. I think it's pretty obvious that there are some parallels between the insurgents and Al-Qaeda/the Taliban and it's clear as day to me that the Militia is likely trying to portray the Novorossiyan rebels to some degree. I see they have a need for a shotgun, and if the devs ever asked anyone I would've liked to have been there to tell them that it's a bad idea, but what's done is done and the devs aren't going to let go of something that they've worked hard on just because some people on the forums have told them it's inaccurate and has very little chance of appearing in real life. I'm fine with it being in game for no other reason than it's already been made. 

 

You're right about the factions parallels to reality in the games current state but I don't think this will last.

 

The Devs have already said that the Insurgent faction will be moving away from the Afghan specific look and will eventually look more like the FSA, which to me means they'll be wearing more general commercial clothing that isn't region specific. However, I don't think that they will then assume a parallel with the FSA, rather they will become 'generic' insurgents with inspiration coming from multiple real life groups.

 

I expect this is a trend that will repeat as each fictional faction is more fleshed out. So the Militia will probably be seeing more equipment that dissolves the parallel with Novorossiyan rebels. That's why I think the KS-23 will stay with the Militia. Obviously the fact that the model is made plays into that but I do believe the Devs made this decision in part to try and solidify their vision of what they want the Militia to be, which isn't necessarily any real life group.

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I don't think the G3 would sit well with any faction currently in game.

G3s aren't the most common weapon on the planet, but they are more prevalent in the Middle Eastern context. Iraq, Iran, UAE and such all use the G3A3s. They're no AKM for sure, but it is still fairly likely for them to appear in the hands of Middle Eastern insurgents.

 

As for Africa, FALs are more likely to be the case if I'm not wrong. Either way, because G3A3s and FALs are so similar, if they're both made, I'd love to see them be randomised spawns for battle-rifle-toting kits.

The only FAL I'd expect to appear in the Middle East is the FN FALO "Romat".

 

But if the African Resistance makes a comeback from PR, damn I'd love a good FAL and MAT-49 (I don't PR, but the gun porn is intense).

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You're right about the factions parallels to reality in the games current state but I don't think this will last.

 

The Devs have already said that the Insurgent faction will be moving away from the Afghan specific look and will eventually look more like the FSA, which to me means they'll be wearing more general commercial clothing that isn't region specific. However, I don't think that they will then assume a parallel with the FSA, rather they will become 'generic' insurgents with inspiration coming from multiple real life groups.

 

I expect this is a trend that will repeat as each fictional faction is more fleshed out. So the Militia will probably be seeing more equipment that dissolves the parallel with Novorossiyan rebels. That's why I think the KS-23 will stay with the Militia. Obviously the fact that the model is made plays into that but I do believe the Devs made this decision in part to try and solidify their vision of what they want the Militia to be, which isn't necessarily any real life group.

 

If that's the case then it's an interesting concept, but in the end everything has to be explained to some degree. Hell, even giving the Insurgents F2000s can be explained easier than giving the Militia KS-23s. The only thing that can really be done at this point is sit back and hope the devs don't do anything too irrational. 

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G3s aren't the most common weapon on the planet, but they are more prevalent in the Middle Eastern context. Iraq, Iran, UAE and such all use the G3A3s. They're no AKM for sure, but it is still fairly likely for them to appear in the hands of Middle Eastern insurgents.

 

As for Africa, FALs are more likely to be the case if I'm not wrong. Either way, because G3A3s and FALs are so similar, if they're both made, I'd love to see them be randomised spawns for battle-rifle-toting kits.

The only FAL I'd expect to appear in the Middle East is the FN FALO "Romat".

 

Personally I'm not convinced they're common enough to be put in the game, but I'm not the person to convince I guess since I'm not being asked for input by the dev team. The FAL and G3 are both incredibly common in Africa (the FAL moreso though) because the FAL was used by Belgium, South Africa, and Rhodesia, and so on and so forth while Portugal used quite a few G3s. With the fall of South Africa and Rhodesia as well as the end of Portugal and Belgium as colonial powers the weapons had nowhere to go but to the public as the new governments couldn't do much to take the weapons back from the people who toted them. Eventually those rifles ended up in the hands of black market dealers where they've stayed for a long time and will likely stay for quite a while longer. 

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The easiest way is to rename Russian Ground Forces to Internal Troops on some maps.

 

 

I don't think the G3 would sit well with any faction currently in game. It's a weapon that saw minor faction with rebel/government groups in Africa, but that's really about the extent of it's usage by non-European powers. There are, of course, photos of the odd insurgent with one in real life, but the M16A2 and AKM variants are much, much more common. 

 

I'm sure some day we will see faction based on another distinctive big group of irregular warriors, inspired by South America guerilla warfare. These guys reeally love both G3 and FN FAL.

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The easiest way is to rename Russian Ground Forces to Internal Troops on some maps.

 

 

 

I'm sure some day we will see faction based on another distinctive big group of irregular warriors, inspired by South America guerilla warfare. These guys reeally love both G3 and FN FAL.

 

I could definitely see that being an option, but even that wouldn't explain the usage of an outdated model of the KS-23 when the MVD uses the KS-23M now, nor would it explain the shotgun being used by the Militia faction, unless you want to go ahead and say they've captured enough of them to field them regularly. 

 

Also, yeah, probably. They could also make African factions, which would be fun to play as given how diverse the continent of Africa is when it comes to landscape. I'd be fine with both factions as having more content never hurts!

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I could definitely see that being an option, but even that wouldn't explain the usage of an outdated model of the KS-23 when the MVD uses the KS-23M now, nor would it explain the shotgun being used by the Militia faction, unless you want to go ahead and say they've captured enough of them to field them regularly. 

 

This is not to much problem.They're used both,and both is rare.

http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/7614.html?thread=140478

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Is it renotely possible for Militia kids to make their own copies the same way Insurgents have theirs with Khyber Pass?

Just a floating question, I don't study much about Eastern Europe.

And what's that huge muzzle device on the KS-23s?

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And what's that huge muzzle device on the KS-23s?

 

Adapter for 82-mm rifle gas grenade "Cheryomukha-12 (Hackberry)"

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Is it renotely possible for Militia kids to make their own copies the same way Insurgents have theirs with Khyber Pass?

 

We probably solve the problem of this shotgun.Lurk for TOZ-123 "Selezen".It's 4 gauge hunting shotgun,based on KS-23.But still,they are rare and expencive,and not produced anymore.

 

And what's that huge muzzle device on the KS-23s?

 

 

Mortar device for large for 36mm or 82mm(Diffirent devices) CS gas grenades.Also they have this muzzle device.

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I don't think the G3 would sit well with any faction currently in game. It's a weapon that saw minor faction with rebel/government groups in Africa, but that's really about the extent of it's usage by non-European powers. There are, of course, photos of the odd insurgent with one in real life, but the M16A2 and AKM variants are much, much more common. 

 

 

Everyone loves the G3 until they get the chance to fire an FAL. It's damn shame that Belgium refused to grant Germany the production rights to the G1. 

 

G3's were cheap as chips in Syria, Lybia and Iraq insurgencies. FAL's were more common, but there were still a fair few G3's.

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Man, all those incorrectly adjusted helmet liners! Can the Ratnik helmet not be properly adjusted to fit a toque under it?

 

G3's were cheap as chips in Syria, Lybia and Iraq insurgencies. FAL's were more common, but there were still a fair few G3's.

 

I'll have to look back into it because I haven't been following Syria much (Ukraine was a much more relevant conflict to the West and, in my opinion, was much more interesting than Syria is) but the glimpses I took at Syria never really showed much usage of G3s.

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