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The Weapons Thread!

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So, inevitably, people will be posting threads about what weapons they want to see in the game. I didn't see a stickied "weapons suggestion" thread like they have with faction suggestions, so why not congregate it all into a single thread?

 

What weapons, kits, equipment, and deployables would you guys like to see be added to Squad? Right now I'd limit suggestions to the Taliban and US Army team, as that's all we'll likely be seeing in the near future and in the first playable releases after the Kickstarter.

 

 

The Irregular forces (like those in PR) are always fun to have in a game, as they allow a team to have a wide variety of weapons and equipment, while standard forces like the US Army are generally stuck with having standard issue Milspec gear.

 

 

I'd like to see a choice between the RPK-74 (with 45 round or drum mag options) and the RPK (30 round, 40 round, or drum mag options) for the AR of the Taliban team and a PKM and DP-28 would both be good choices for the Machine Gunner as well (I feel the DP-28 should be delegated to the MG role instead of the AR role simply because it's more comparable to the PKM considering they're both firing the 7.62x54r). With the ballistics system they have planned to implement I think the choice between a 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 as an AR provides a legitimate choice as you have to consider the advantages/drawbacks of each of them; their penetrating power, the raw force with which they hit, the velocity they're going to be flying at, the recoil you'll have to deal with for each, and the capacity you'll have with their respective mags. The same goes for a standard Rifleman, the choice between an AK-74/AKS-74 and AKM/AKMS (minus the magazine size variable). There is also the fact that 5.45 is smaller and lighter, I don't find it unreasonable to factor that into the game by differing the amount of magazines you're carrying depending on the round your chosen weapon is firing.

 

In addition to the SVD for the Marksman, I'd love to see a scoped AK-74/AKS-74 or AKM/AKMS. They had the scoped AK-74 on the Spotter kit of a lot of the irregular teams, and it was criminally underrated as a kit and weapon, I loved using it but never saw many others using it, and again I think the option makes the Marksman a more versatile class, while the SVD is obviously being a better choice past medium distances, an AK-74/AKS-74 or AKM/AKMS with a PSO is going to perform better up to medium distances where you don't really need the extra power of the 54r and would be better off with the extra capacity of a 7.62x39 or 5.45x39. An unscoped Mauser, Lee Enfield, or Mosin Nagant would also be a great choice for the Marksman class, but once you put a scope on them I'd probably throw them into more of a "sniper" style class due to the nature of a bolt action rifle with a high magnification scope being borderline useless in any close range engagements (especially compared to an SVD or AK variant with backup irons or a bolt action with no magnification).

 

Not sure what class it would fit into well, but a G3 wouldn't be out of the question either. They're are plenty of images of Taliban fighers where one or two of them are carrying a G3, I assume they're probably stolen from coalition or police forces but I really don't know, they seem to get ahold of them somehow or another though. I'd also love to see an SKS in there, but again, I'm not sure where it would fit in.

 

As for the AKS-74u, I think classes like AA or AT, carrying whatever launcher and warhead they're given, should probably be given something like an AKS-74u, SKS, or PPSH instead of a full-size rifle or carbine. That's really the only way I can think of giving those type of weapons to the team without making them too common. I don't think they're common enough to give to a standard Medic or Rifleman, so I think limiting them to the AT/AA classes would be a good compromise for including them in a way that makes sense (the AT/AA class themselves shouldn't be focusing on long range infantry engagements, they should really be focusing on what their class is intended for; armor and aircraft, respectively). You could also make a second Rifleman class that was limited in numbers (in comparison to the unlimited amount of standard Rifleman that you can have on a team/in a squad) that could have the G3 and AKS-74u or SKS as weapon options.

 

As a side note, a TT-33 would be a good alternative secondary for the team. I would say a Browning HP, but there'd be no reason to take the Makarov at that point. Why take 8 rounds of 9x18 when you can have 13 rounds of 9x19?

 

 

 

As for the US team it's a little more difficult. You're kind of stuck with the standard issue weapons when it comes down to it, the saving grace of the teams weapon variety is going to come down to attachments (foregrips, optics, etc.) so there can be a couple variations on the same weapon. Obviously an M4 with your choice of optics/attachments for the Rifleman is what we're going to see. The AR will see the M249 with, again, their choice of optics, and I assume much like the RPK the M249 will get a choice of either a 100 round bag or 200 round box. The M240b for the Machine Gunner would, again, get a choice of optics. A neat feature to include if at all possible would be a kit specifically designed to support the M240b gunner, carrying belts of ammo to feed to him and a tripod to set up. As for the DM, I suppose a choice of an SDM-R or an M4 with an Acog would be neat, but a little redundant. Not sure if the Army has issued a DM variant of the M14, but if so that would be a great choice as well.

 

 

As for deployables, I'm really hoping to see mortars again. I loved using them in Project Reality, and they were infinitely useful if you had a good squad running them.

 

Otherwise, I'm sure a lot of other posters have some great ideas on this, feel free to share them!

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Loving all these suggestions.

But IMO the DP is better classified as a LMG than a GPMG. Despite firing 7.62x54R, it only holds 47 rounds in the pan and it is a much more portable platform than a GPMG. It's comparable to a M249 in weight. It should be rarer than an RPK or RPK-74, but I think it's too portable to be restricted to a Machinegunner class.

I love PPSh-41s. Do Talibananas have many lying around? I remember that they chose not to give the Taliban any PPShes in PR, but I don't know what the reason was.

What do you guys think about 1950s Soviet weapons like RP-46 and PPS-43? Would Talibans use these? Or are they too rare to be in the game?

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Loving all these suggestions.

But IMO the DP is better classified as a LMG than a GPMG. Despite firing 7.62x54R, it only holds 47 rounds in the pan and it is a much more portable platform than a GPMG. It's comparable to a M249 in weight. It should be rarer than an RPK or RPK-74, but I think it's too portable to be restricted to a Machinegunner class.

I love PPSh-41s. Do Talibananas have many lying around? I remember that they chose not to give the Taliban any PPShes in PR, but I don't know what the reason was.

What do you guys think about 1950s Soviet weapons like RP-46 and PPS-43? Would Talibans use these? Or are they too rare to be in the game?

 

The Taliban used to have the PPSH, they removed them with (I believe) 1.0 when it came around. I don't know about the PPS-43, though. As for the RP-46, it would kind of be a little redundant with the PKM.

 

I just think the DP would be a good alternative to the PKM for the Machine Gunner because it is more portable. The Machine Gunner would have access to the full sized 54r, but would have the option of picking either a weapon that's going to be lighter but hold less ammunition, or heavier and holding more ammunition. I'm sure they'd do something so that the difference between firing them unbipodded would be a big factor in choosing one or the other as well.

 

They could always make the RPK and RPK-74 use 40 and 45 round mags, respectively, when playing as the Automatic Rifleman, and limit using them with drum magazines to the Machine Gunner, making them available weapons on that class as well.

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I am looking forward to a more wide variety of weapons and loadouts with unconventional forces, as well as more relavent and modern loadouts for the conventional forces. 

  • Unconventional forces weapons and gadgets
  • scoped AK-74/AKM for some marksman kits
  • More variety of weapons such as --- PPSH-41,PPS-43, UZI, RPD, AKSMU, TOZ-194 or IZH-43 (Instead of the R870 all the time), more AK variants (m70 zastava, AMD-65, T56 etc.) as well as any other unconventional weapons
  • More types of IEDs and mines as well as "suicide vests" and VBEDs, maybe pipebombs and malotavs cocktails
  • Maybe like a "tapped" on flashlight to an AK, or and AK with a wooden foregrip (like seen on old Iraqi army AKs) etc

 

  • Conventional forces weapons and gadgets
  • M4A1s for the US Army, as well as an M320 or XM-25 (Not really used but cool), as well M27 IAR for the USMC AR and an M32 MGL 
  • Thermite and Flashbang grenades, or even a Tear Gas grenade as well as different types of 40mm GL grenades, HE, HEDP, Smoke, Para-Flare, Cluster Flare etc, as well as hand held signal flares or an IR strobe marker
  • Things like flashlights, laser sights, foregrips, Backup Reflex sights, NVGs for most modern military's weapons
  • An "Assistant Gunner" to support the MG, that carries maybe ammo, tripod and a deployable larger ammo box for when the MG is deployed
  • Maybe something like a 'Sniper Specialist" that uses like an M110 SASS or an M107A1/M82A3 Barrett or varied faction alternative
  • as well guns like the MK. 48, MK. 46, FGM-172 Javelin, M240L, MK. 12/SDMR/SAMR, QBZ-03, L86A2, AK-103, G36A2, and many others
  • modern optics like the ACOG/RCO/SDO, MK. 4, M68 CCO, Holo 552/553, 3x RDS Magnifier, MGO/C79 Elcan Spectar 1-4x and many others

Theres probably alot more that i want in the since of weapons and such, just cant think of them

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I think that the loadout should represent what the specific faction use IRL. Nothing more, nothing less.

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PKM, RPG. M240, MK19, any and all auto-cannons. the beasts

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I think that the loadout should represent what the specific faction use IRL. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Believe it or not, no extremist groups in the Middle East or Africa have made a press release on what armaments they have stashed away for future use. It's easy to say that for conventional factions, but a little harder to say that for the irregular factions.

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Believe it or not, no extremist groups in the Middle East or Africa have made a press release on what armaments they have stashed away for future use. It's easy to say that for conventional factions, but a little harder to say that for the irregular factions.

yes but a range of weapons i think can be fairly easily established for non-conventional forces. for example, i dont think the taliban-like insurgents should M4s or G36s or Barrett .50 cal rifles

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yes but a range of weapons i think can be fairly easily established for non-conventional forces. for example, i dont think the taliban-like insurgents should M4s or G36s or Barrett .50 cal rifles

 

Of course, that's a given.

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I want to be able to select alt weapons for conventional factions but with a greater emphasis on scope selection. I.E.

 

Rifleman can choose between M4 and M16A4

Marksman can pick between the SDM-R and M110

Machine Gunner can swap to either the M249 or M240

And each one can choose what scopes within reason(No Sniper scopes for Rifleman).

 

On the Opfor side, I want greater weapons variety but limited ability to change scopes. That should be reserved for sniper, dmr and recon.

 

Rifleman can have AK47, AKS-74U, G3, FAL, SKS, M870, ETC.

Marksman can have the same + the SVD and the ability to mount scopes on his guns

MG can have RPK, PKM, ETC.

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Believe it or not, no extremist groups in the Middle East or Africa have made a press release on what armaments they have stashed away for future use. It's easy to say that for conventional factions, but a little harder to say that for the irregular factions.

Was mainly thinking about conventional forces. But it is still possible to research what type of weaponry, and equipment that is most commonly used by rebels and insurgents at different places

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More battle rifles please!

 

"AKs are OK but a G3 would be the bees knees!"

 

Or a FN FAL, SVT-40  etc

 

Cheers, Murkey.

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More battle rifles please!

 

"AKs are OK but a G3 would be the bees knees!"

 

Or a FN FAL, SVT-40  etc

 

Cheers, Murkey.

 

Interestingly enough, I've seen a lot of images where a Taliban fighter will have a G3, but I haven't seen any with an FAL, yet a ton of the Insurgents in Libya, Iraq, and Syria seemed to have FAL's.

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Interestingly enough, I've seen a lot of images where a Taliban fighter will have a G3, but I haven't seen any with an FAL, yet a ton of the Insurgents in Libya, Iraq, and Syria seemed to have FAL's.

 

H&K G3's were produced under license in Pakistan and quite some G3's were also used by Iran in the Iran–Iraq war, so that may be the reason they are still found and used in the area. Turkey also produced them under license for quite a while, and Kurdish soldiers (who may have gotten them one way or the other) fought in the Iran–Iraq war as well, so maybe some of those also got there from that source. The FAL was used by Israel and India as far as I know, and is now available in some modernized variants and older rifles on the market, so some may also see action, but I think the reason we see the G3 more often is that it is more widespread and may be on storage in a lot of areas still.

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I have seen OICW in new feeds in the 2001-2003 era. I have also seen Carl Gustaf m44 on news feed in hands of american soldier in same era in urban patrol.

 

What I have understood is that "Grease Gun" were still in active duty in early years of 2000 by some US armored units.

 

Insurgents needs AKSu or what were the short AK (AK Krinkov?) with oil filter/can supressor that blocks the sights. Plus beaten up Browning AUTO5 shotgun.

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AKS74u.

 

Really as long as we can chuck a PSO on an AK, and use various rounds, 7n12, 7n9 and so on I'll be happy.

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Really as long as we can chuck a PSO on an AK

 

As long as it's limited to Marksman, I agree, it should definitely be a possibility.

 

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Insurgents : SKS , Lee Enfield , SVT-40 , Mouser kar 98 k , Mosin nagant , Akms , Rpd ,  rpg 29 , tt 33 and of course a Nokia !

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I would love to see the return of the Lee-Enfield, but this time the Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk 2, love that gun.

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Some things I would love to see, but don't really see a real reason what they would bring to the table.  But I think they are pretty :)

 

Mk12 Mod 1, for a designated marksman role.

Mk18 Mod 1, for and M4 alternative.

 

...and maybe an An-94, because 1800RPM burst

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