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Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to play the v12 test when it was out, but I have been following it closely and I'm super impressed with all they've added! The only concern I have is with the optics on the MBTs. I notice how you have a laser range finder, but you then have to elevate the gun manually to the proper elevation before you can shoot your target. This is not how its done in reality, on both the M1 Abrams and the T72B3 (as well as virtually all modern AFVs), the gunner presses a button to fire the laser rangefinder at the target, and the gun will automatically elevate to the proper elevation for that range. The center point-blank reticle then becomes your impact point, after lasing the target, you just simply point and shoot. The gunner never uses the range scales provided on the sights, they are there for emergency use only. I guess my question is, if this is intentionally left out or planned to be implemented in the future (perhaps when thermal/ night vision is introduced in-game)? I understand how some may have concerns about this ability making tanks OP, but this is how its actually done. Regardless, I'm very impressed with what I've seen with V12 and I can already tell its going to revolutionize the way we play squad for the better! Keep up the great work!
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[Vehicle Periscopes] things that should be brought over.
Snaxxi posted a topic in Feedback & Suggestions
In the title. It’s a bit confusing to me that the more modern vehicles in game do not have the driver periscope that Project reality did ( and even most older vehicles had a no-zoom 360 periscope that allowed the driver to act as a commander/drive better) This gives much more situational awareness to the crew and allows an experienced driver to call out targets for his gunner. Maybe that’s what the devs are going for; making it easier to sneak up on heavy armor. However it kinda just leads to new guys getting spanked and losing tickets much faster. Even if it had to be a third position for a commander, that would be fine. And potentially no thermal sights, that is understandable. however in the current state, the heavy armor feel a bit too blind, and make driving the “bitch job.” Not a lot of new players are going to want to use armor if they can’t gun, especially if you don’t have any expirience, the better players will just say “okay, you drive then.” At least with the Periscopes you’re could call targets and feel like you were in charge of survival, this was further made better by the third position machine gun on tanks. You could swap to that position and still lay down fire. tl:dr — to make heavy armor feel better and not have a “bitch job” (driving) add the 360 traverse periscope back to the driver for situational awareness/calling targets. please feel free to add stipulations to make it balanced. Aka no thermals, limited viewing angle (can’t look directly behind), can’t zoom far, ect. -
DEVELOPERS PLEASE HUMBLY READ MY SUGGESTION FOR TANKS!
Caliell posted a topic in Feedback & Suggestions
Maybe you guys already have it in works, but I humbly want to suggest for you an idea how to make "4 crew Abrams M1A1" work. I believe having 4 crew Abrams is not only possible but should be in the game. How and why? Simply due to the fact that Loader's hatch on M1A1 by default comes with its own machine gun mount of 240B and gun shield. Game wise this means triple of independent firepower. So the loader in M1A1 will not be useless player, sitting in the buttoned up turret, but act as independent extra force multiplier besides Tank Commander's CROWS and the gunner. Imagine the amount of firepower this can lay. And perhaps having that "Extra M240B gunner" i.e. loader this will provide "Passive haste Bonus" for M1A1 like "20% reduction in loading time" for the main cannon. T72B3 should obviously already come with such bonus due to autoloader, but because it does not have the hatch for extra "Light version of gunner" it will not have 3 independent weapon hardpoints on it. So looking at it game wise, you have two different player doctrines closely following to real life ones. - T72B3 trying to put out superior Main Cannon/Coax firepower, while M1A1 trying to put out superior independent firepower. Just add another perhaps unpopular opinion. Rebel factions should be getting subpar but less costly in tickets versions of their own (Rebels factory stock T72 with no upgrades) and Insurgents T-54/55 and in larger numbers. Likely being half the ticket loss when combat destroyed in comparison to T72B3 and M1A1 tanks. This way, Insurgents and Rebels will have realistically access to worse technology as they are supposed to, but also in the way better because they can field more of those tanks without fearing huge ticket drains. Think about it. - Two T54/55s or two Cold War Era T72s for the cost of One M1A1. That's the whopping crew of 2 tanks vs 1 and should be interesting like WWII era tank duels of Shermans vs Tiger or Panther. One superior tank but can be overcame with good planning or outgunned based on player's skill. This will be game level of the recent tank movie with Brad Pitt "Fury" levels.- 40 replies
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Hi readers and hopefully Devs. I have a suggestion for tanks in the distant future that would really make the realism pop. Here is a video of a t-72 tank hit by an ATGM top of the motor, and shortly after cooks off with amazing effects.(crewmen escaped safely) I would love to see this kind of visual content in the game and i'm sure all of the soon to be tank hunters will also get a peak of satisfaction from placing such an accurate shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzPiuYcZeOU thanks for reading.
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I'm pretty hyped about the fact that tanks are going to be part of Squad. The level of detail showcased in the photogrammetry previews is tantalizing, and I trust that the final product will still be spectacular. I very much enjoy the level of realism in War Thunder's simulator mode, or something serious like Steel Beasts - that is to say, tank shells' effect on target depends entirely on the localized armor values and the components sitting in the line of fire, rather than a traditional HP pool. I'd love to see this type of realistic damage system implemented in Squad. It would provide so many new tactical opportunities besides "show up with tank, fire first". Use hull-down defilade as a defense against weaker AT rounds by covering your thinner hull armor Flank a tank as a HAT soldier knowing that the dual-warhead missile you carry will cut through the side/rear armor like butter and ignite the ammo Rely on top or bottom attacks as insurgent forces when an armored vehicle is impenetrable from the front/sides with the traditional warheads available Use autocannons to mobility-kill an enemy MBT or damage its optics, then rush the flank for the kill The system itself wouldn't have to be all that complex under the hood, either, in order to get a realistic feel. I've developed something like this myself, and all you really need are: Clean "collision model" for actual armor Components/tags/textures (whatever works best in Unreal Engine) designating armor thicknesses in RHAe for both kinetic and chemical attacks for each section of armor RHAe penetration values for each ammo type, along with kinetic or chemical flag Surface normal sampling on round impact, with pen/no-pen calculation on the spot based on calculated LOS thickness Collision zones on the locations of major systems or components inside the tank (they can even be primitives - no one's going to know the ammo rack is a couple of box colliders) A handful of vehicle status effects for component damage, e.g. ammo rack = fire/cookoff; optics = gunner zoom disabled; gun breech = longer reload; tracks = immobilized; etc. Ability for crew to repair damage over time Simple spalling model using generated "bullets" with a random spread from point where a penetrating shell enters the crew compartment Direct wounding/killing of crew members in line of fire when a shot penetrates These are just my ideas, though, and of course there may be something entirely different in mind for the way armor will work in Squad. Is there any word yet on how tank armor/ammo will be modeled?
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Just saw the latest news from the devs on what they are doing with the inclusion of tanks into the game, and I gotta say I am completely taken back by how detailed the tanks look!!! Now that we know more about the tank development, what can we expect on counters to tanks in the game? It seems that the tanks are going to mainly be on the insurgent, militia, Russian, and British forces. I'm sure they won't leave the American forces naked on the battlefield without a tank so I assume they will add one for them as well. What kind of heavy anti-tank weapons do you think we will see coming in addition to the new tanks? My guess would be a Javelin for the American forces and maybe even a TOW system for FOBS, The MBT LAW for the British forces along with the TOW system as the US and Brits sometimes share weaponry, and of course the RPG-7 Tandem for insurgent and militia forces, and an RPG-30 for the Russian forces that's their modern Tandem round. Those are only ideas I have on which ones I would like to see on the battlefield, let's hear what you guys think should be implemented in the future!
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Heyho Squadies! I really like the infantry game-play. While it is easy to learn it is pretty hard to master. It feels intuitiv but at the same time it has a realistic feeling without being overly complex. This is, as I hope, will follow into the vehicle gameplay. In this topic I would like to discuss my ideas/ hopes especially for tanks, without knowing how they played out in PR. I draw my experience out of SteelBeasts Pro PE, which is a full fleched tank simulator. Despite being a simulator, it did a lot of things correct and simple. Crew-System While I would like to see a 3-men crew-system, meaning driver, gunner and commander being playable, I would understand when it would only be a two-men-system: Gunner + Commander. In the two-men-system the commander would be the guy who controls the movement of the tank and this solution seems to be the best IMO. Commander: He "drives" the tank, can look outside the hatch, controls maybe a remote-weapon-station (if available) and gets his own optics. When he uses the optics-mode, he can bring the gun on his sight with a simple left-click on his mouse. With a right-click he can bring his vision on the current sight of the gunner. This would implement a hunter-killer-ability of modern tanks and enhances inner-tank-teamplay. Of course in this case to fire the RWS would need to be on another key, but this shouldn't be a big deal. With a press on the "prone"-key, he would get the smoke-screen up. Gunner: He shoots the gun over his optics, without the ability to look out on his own. There should be two optics available to him: The "normal" main-optics with thermal-imaging and different zoom-level and a optical-solution with a fixed zoom, no Laser-Range-Finder or Dynamic-Lead as a kind of emergency-optic. Should the tank be only be crewed by a single person, an instant switch between both position should be possible, while driving should also be possible from the gunners-position in such an instance. How to fire the gun As you have seen, I haven't written much about the gunner in the part above. Shooting a tank-gun should be more complex, than shooting a rifle. I imagine it the following way, without getting too complex: 1. The player identifies a moving target over his optics 2. With the "Lean"-keys he zoomes onto the target and brings the optic on target. (e.g. with the left-lean-key you change the zoom, with the right-lean-key you turn on/off / change the Thermal-Imager) 3. Middle-Mouse-Click: Lasering the target, when "hit" then he gets a correct echo (he gets a solid red range number into his optics), when he misses (or the laser is blocked) he gets a wrong echo (blinking red number with the measured distance). 4. Right-Mouse-Hold: Because he needs to follow the target with his optics, this way the dynamic lead is "programmed" into the FCS. 5. Left-Mouse-Click: He fires the gun... when he got everything right, he hits the target... if not, he misses. What he needs to learn is to program in the dynamic-lead correctly (when he follows the target too fast during the "hold" period, he shoots in front of it, if he follows it too slow, he shoots behind it). When he got a wrong laser-echo, he needs to either lase again or shoot with a wrong echo by adjusting the distance manually (aiming above the target). Lasering isn't constantly possible. If you would laser too fast (around lasering every second), the laser might overheat and will need a short cool-down period. After the gun is fired, the crew hears some loading sounds and then a generic voice of the loader with something along the lines "Sabot in", "Sabot loaded", "HEAT in", "HEAT loaded", I don't now the correct terms of our English friends, they might help you out here. When such a system is implemented, using a tank-gun gets far more interesting and realistic. It would even be possible to put in the different mechanics of the nations, when wished, but I think the above system would be fine as a generalization. Is the enemy dead? This is an important point for me: Everybody knows that an enemy tank is destroyed, when his ammunition cookes off (while we are at it: can we have this please) or he draws the head (his turret flies away)... but when you hit an enemy tank with an APFSDS-round, the only thing you see might be a flash, dust and a standing enemy tank... you don't know if the crew inside is completely dead, if they are only wounded, if the gunner might be even alive and shoot back... you need to wait and see... or sent a 2nd round downrange until you are sure. Thus the damage-mechanic is important: Optics, Crew, Ammunition, Tracks, Engine, Turret-Rotation, Stabilizer, LRF, ... should be destroyable if possible and cause different problems to a crew of a tank... while at the same time you could still work with a invisible "health-bar" that renders the tank completely destroyed. When a tank is destroyed it should just stay there without doing anything most of the time and only with a small chance of a cook-off or explosion (which is of course higher, when the ammunition compartment was hit). Armor and Ammunition It seems the developer are on a good way here from what I found in the forums... but please, can we have working ERA? sincerly, Thonar
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Are squad planing to add main battletanks like the t 72.I think it wuld fit in the game. In a tank you also have to have a complete crew. U have to have a gunner reloader comander driver and so on. It wuld be fun to have to have a hole crew working all together in a veacle. This wuld be a good addition both to gameplay and to the reralisem of the game. And plz dont judge me spelling, I have dyselexia and im swedish plus im only 14.
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Okay, so it's still early in the game, and Tanks, and IFV's are not in the picture yet. However I thought it would be a reasonable idea to get ahead of the curve before the tanks come out, and shoot out this idea to process a "school/boot camp", or classroom time training along with the release of armored vehicles in the future. I loved the aspect Americas Army brought with training, and I hope maybe the devs here could look into that. In America's Army 2 you had to get training to operate the HWMMV, which was awesome, because then everybody knew its characteristics, and what it was capable of. It consisted of some classroom learning, and actually going through a course with an instructor in your ear telling you what to do like boot camp. I believe this would be a great help to others to get a "boot camp" essentially to be able to operate Armored Vehicles, and essentially get "certified" like in America's Army 2. I loved the training aspect and certification aspect of America's Army, hopefully the devs can shed some light on this idea?
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Is there any pictures going around what it looks like inside the tanks and Humvee.... I'm interested if it's accurate and pristine..... Thanks!!!!
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For When Tanks Come Out: Cars Shouldn't Stop Tanks
YuriIsLoveYuriIsLife posted a topic in Feedback & Suggestions
So I was driving around a Merkava in PR co-op, trying to get a feel for the game a little more (I'm a noob) and I was driving on this bridge, right? And then the side of my tank hits an old, burnt car. This car stops my 65-ton tank dead in it's tracks instead of doing this: I don't know if it was a physics engine limitation or whatever, but you get the idea. I'm not saying there exactly be car crushing animation, but a car shouldn't be able to stop a tank. The least that can be done is that car can be pushed out of the way. -
Just interested to see what the community has in ideas, not saying it should be in but just spewing some ideas out. Such as odd Soviet era tanks. Or anything in general... Examples.... IDF MAR-290 Soviet Scud Soviet BTR... Again just brainstorming odd vehicals, plus as a history geek I learn something new when someone post something interesting. Please post with pictures
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A friendly reminder to VFX artists when tanks come out.
YuriIsLoveYuriIsLife posted a topic in Feedback & Suggestions
In videos, I see a modern tank (About 1960's on onwards) fire it's cannon and then a small puff of contrasting white smoke pours out the barrel a moment after firing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's excess gas being pushed out by the bore evacuator. Anyway, it's a feature some games seem to miss. I have faith in the devs because they have provided some stunning visual effects and overall realism but this is just a friendly reminder. The amount of gas and time it takes for it to exit differs from tank-to-tank. The Abrams pushes out a little bit of gas very shortly after firing. https://youtu.be/kBwBsaA8VdI?t=2m https://youtu.be/pCjHFbcVHQA?t=1m36s Where as the T-90 dispenses a thicker cloud and seemingly takes a fraction of a second longer for the gasses to come out. -
Vehicle Collsion The maps are obviously made with an eye for the fact vehicles will be featured down the road. I just worry that we wont get the right "feel" of driving a tank, if you forexample can't drive an Abrams through those low clay fences featured on most maps. Or break down a gate to a compound by driving a Humwee or APC into it. At they very least I think the developers should allow for tanks/vehicles of some caliber to drive through(-without destroying) a variation of obstacles, like the clay walls, small trees and so on. I just seems silly to be stuck behind a small tree in a main battle tank, like you would in battlefield games. I played forgotten hope 2 (bf2 mod) a lot, and they made tanks able to pass through fences and so on... of course it seems weird that a tank drives through and the infantry following has to go around, but tanks lose a bit of their purpose if they have to use roads, and cant offroad through a forest with small trees. Destruction I think it doesn't really suit the game how rocket launchers get stopped by a clay wall and if you're directly behind it won't be hurt by the explosion... So I was wondering, when vehicles... Tanks, helicopters with hellfiremissiles, IEDs and such are added. Will one then be able to just hide out in a compound while a main battle tank is shelling your clay hut without having to worry about it? About the destruction, i really do get how complex and time taking it is to implement.. however the cheap solution would be for explosions of some size to not be totally blocked by walls and such, so standing directly behind a wall getting hit my a tank gun, would give you something to think about. How do you think this will be in the final version of the game?
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As someone avid for Tanks/APCs I asked a dev on a live stream about inteirors... What do you think? Should Interiors for tanks be added or? What about front seat APCs?? Please discuss :D
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I don't know if you like tanks, but I certainly do. So much infact that I made a tank quiz on quizup. If anyone would like to play against each other, me or someone random on quizup here is a direct link to it. https://www.quizup.com/topics/_a47a88e8-fc6f-45cf-a4b2-fdc17f540415 If you don't know quizup, it's basically a quiz with 7 questions between 2 people where each person has to answer as quickly as possible between 4 choices, the longer it takes you to answer the less points you get with a minimum of 10 points for a correct answer and a max of 20. What exactly is in the quiz? Questions about tanks, tank related things, tank history and IDing pictures of tanks. What isn't in this quiz? Questions like "why was tiger tanks unstoppable killers?" "which is better?" So come play and tell me why you like or hate the quiz about tanks maybe?
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Maybe like most people, I'm extremely hyped for mainly tanks. I believe they will play a major role and a crap ton of fun... However, I haven't found anyone really too picky on the actual tank game play. I think for it to actually work it should follow the fundamentals of Red Orchestra 2. It was highly addicting as a tank player and highly rewarding disabling/destroying a tank. In that sense interiors are a must need. So far the MTLBM is a confirmed tank, and already worked however I'm hoping enough people get this to the Devs and maybe give us something to gaze at in awe.. Such as the interiors.... Since it seems confirmed by the lead artist.... http://forums.joinsquad.com/topic/3716-interesting-t80bv-interior-panorama-reference/?hl=interiors#entry67256..........
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Im writing this now because I will probably forget it later haha, and its good solution actualy. Some players are against tanks in the game because they would become over powered. I ve been thinking about this for some time. Gunner: Ussualy in games you control gun turret with the mouse, but in reallity, you dont, you have stick, like in airplanes, and it works like AWSD. What I wanted to say is that gunner should control turret this way because it would become realistic, and it would be much harder to aim. He can pres shift for faster turret movement. Gun stabilization should be implemented too. Driver: Nothing special, you should only implement fuel in the game. Comander: Ability to use binoculars from the cupola, or however you call that place from where he can peek from inside the tank. I 100% understand that tanks are not priority for next 6 months or more, but you should really consider this. What you think about that? Sorry for bad English.
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I was bored, so I tried to come up with an idea, and I got inspired by the Bad Company 2 trailer/teaser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70Rsgu1CXI (also secretly an excuse because I suck at textures). Afterwards I realised it would take too long and I wouldn't really gain so much from it. And of course I take no credibility for the Royalty Free SFX except the synchronization, and so on blah blah blah Now I realized the video is too dark and you can't even see the grass animation and few particles. Edit: I increased the brightness
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So I haven't heard anything about armor pen, modules, ect. I am of course talking about damage models, taken in far greater detail then lets say, arma, war thunder, ect. as the pictures below. My thoughts would be having module damage, there should be no such thing as "hit-points" rather overall damage that would cause the vehicle to be a banded or destroyed. It can be done reletively easily as knocking out modules would add for realism(as PR was famous for vehicle combat). Or like russian tanks are famous for; putting ammunition around the turret so most penetrations cause internal explosion. ::::rant starts here:::: So I heard squad thought about implementing the armata platform. One question, If the T-90 has seen little to no action why would you even add the armata which the specs will be classified for a long time. The T-90 would make sense or any other T-72 implemtation. If you are gonna go that crazy you should add the fucking polish super tank the PL-PAC01. I don't mean to go off on the russo fanboys, but if we are sticking to whats realistic why add a tank that has maybe 10 produced, with specs you are just guessing on. ::::END ARMATA RANT HERE:::: I will edit as I find more documentation.
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What is Immersive Driving? Immersive driving is probably the polar opposite of all FPS land based vehicle control. I'm not sure how to implement it fully but some examples have been suggested in other threads. The idea is to enhance the experience of driving vehicles and make it much more interesting and also slightly more challenging Immersive Driving Might Include: Manual gear changing only (perhaps unrealistic but used to enhance driving and hence gaming experience)The ability to turn on and off engines Vehicle brakeHandbrake/parking break/mountain brake (to stop or resist the annoying sliding down terrain to a certain degree)Balancing Terrain with Vehicle Speed and ManoeuvrabilityPerhaps a 'GPS direction system' for some maps (not neccessarily all, not sure if possible)Exterior Mirrors or Camera views (JACKAL can be mounted with FLIR, I'm not talking about 3p view)Vehicle Dynamic Damage, Disability, Decal & Destruction System (Vehicles that are disabled/unusable AND not exploded/onfire/'wreck' status)Dynamic Dashboards (speed gauge ect)Lock vehicle/Restrict Vehicle to squad/personnel(with automatic unlock time of 10 or 15 minutes - so team can still use vehicle if vehicle is abandoned or squad disconnects)More terrain features specific to vehicles (traps/ditches, road craters ...model could be 'blast crater', impassable terrain/roadblock, enforced usage of deployable bridges (in a minority of maps or to cross a certain area of the map, limited terrain deformation limited for network physics and bandwidth, player made terrain traps...limited with conditions, more chances of crashing vehicles with careless driving)Vehicle Driver VOIP Channel (friendly team only)Vehicle sensors for parking/proximity'Shot Detection' Sensor for vehicles that have it IRL (system gives audio cue to compass bearing, device exists IRL...not sure if it is used much or deployed. Probably used to feed intel to machine gunnners or disembarked troops)Passenger Injuries from SOME crashesObviously some of these ideas have been suggested and I've tried to link them (where possible). However, I did add some original ideas into the mix and my suggestion is the actual concept of driving needing to be improved upon from PR. I'm not endorsing or saying all of the suggested implementation ideas are good. They're just ideas to hopefully inspire ideas or possibilities.
