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21/08/19: I originally posted this around some circles within the Project Reality community. But I also wanted the people here to see it as well, because I think some would be interested in something like this. 03/08: I want to preface this whole thing by saying that I’m well aware that I’m a nobody in the larger picture when it comes to the PR scene. I haven’t done enough to earn an opinion that others should pay attention to. I’m aware this is a weird thing to read for you at the beginning of a long post and weirder for me to write it. I consider myself as part of the silent majority, but with this essay I guess I’m breaking that. Delving deeper into this piece will hopefully make you understand why I’ve decided to do this. I just want to respectfully ask an hour of your time. [Recommended soundtrack: Avril 14th by Aphex Twin] 17/07: I've been meaning to "do something" about PR for a while. A year maybe even. The documentary was a bust for many reasons, but mainly because I lacked the character and discipline to actually go through with something like that. After cancelling it I started planning to interview people about the “death of PR”. It was an important topic that I started paying more and more attention to even before I told anybody I was making a documentary. Then that interview series got scaled back to just me going over and over this “urgent” matter endlessly in my mind for months. But now things are a bit different. Last year about this time I thought I could finish the whole documentary thing before this summer. I was supposed enjoy my vacation in Bulgaria where I would visit my grandparents in their small village. And here I am typing this there. Right now, I'm staring out the window of my childhood home where I would sit at endlessly each winter. It feels like several lives ago. Like it happened to somebody else and I'm somehow intimately familiar with the details. But no, it happened to me, I was that person. I haven’t been in this room for 8 years since I moved to the UK and haven’t lived in this house for 8 more. Somethings haven't changed even a bit around here. The house is nicer, the people are older. Some childhood friends married and moved out. New-born babies I vaguely remember existing back then are now talking to me about playing GTAV in their school. Why am I even telling you about all of this? I don’t have the most interesting life story to tell you. But I do want to encourage you to tell yours. In a way everybody grows up in a ****ed up way, but we realize it too late. I for example in the last few years started to really appreciate the fact that my parents wanted the best for me. They did everything they could to give me a normal upbringing. But we never had the means or opportunity to do that. And that's fine, they tried, I still love them. My mother has done more for me than she will ever do for herself. She created the illusion of normal life for me as long as she could. That illusion starts breaking when your parents or strangers start telling you how difficult and scary life will be. 18/07: Around my teens I realized people were treating me a little bit differently. They were being nicer to me than others kids and were for some reason concerned about my wellbeing. Until then I was a normal child, but as time went, I became aware I had a different path than most. That meant I wouldn't go to the army. It would mean I would never become “a real man”. Sounds stupider when you write it down. I come from a more old-fashioned part of the country. People are simple here, with basic worries: how is the crop this year, how much drought will there be this summer, is the government going to fix the roads finally? The kindergarten I used to go here is closed, the school my mom used to go was gone way before me. The infrastructure is failing and there're less and less reasons to stay here. But I'm enjoying my time here. There’re no telephone lines here, but Internet is. The 3 weeks of vacation I get might not even be enough. In a way this is a surreal experience for me to be here. This is what I needed after spending so much time in the same room for months sometimes. The days would blend together and I would start forgetting which day of the week it is. No school, no job. The only moments I would realize some kind of time is passing would be when I brush my teeth and when I’m laying down on my bed at night. My life is simple and I don't usually crave the outside. I like the little virtual world I've built for myself. The neatly arranged desktop icons, the three pinned websites when I open the browser and the sequentially ordered programs on my taskbar. When it was a few days until I had to get on a plane to come here, I kind a panicked. I don't like flying, but this was even worse. Weird stuff started to happen to me. My implanted tooth fell when I was rinsing my mouth. A friend of mine had issues with his gf, who I did my best to help. I flew a chopper for the first time in PR in a public match without much prior practice and it went well. I was living my life to the fullest in a way. I even made my own version of a dead man's harddrive, by giving a friend of mine a passworded file with intimate information that would be accessible after it was apparent that I died. I was watching a TV show where the main character would repeat the same day over and over again and that made me think about what would I do if I had the chance to change the future. I watched a movie about successfully landing a plane in a river, which strangely made me less afraid to fly. I did some weird shit there. I still feel weird. Selfish even. But coming back here, the peace this place has inflicted on me has changed me as a person. At least a little bit. I'm still going to be the same introverted guy who gets a bit too excited when people start paying attention to him. But typing this, I wouldn’t be surprised if people notice there's something different about me. Because I do feel different: I'm a bit more accepting of things in general. My plan was to come here and type a long essay about why we shouldn't let PR die. In my little, dimly lit room I tried to convey my feelings and thoughts numerous times. Drafts and drafts. Every one more pessimistic and more emotional than the last. More personal, trying to make people act to save PR. Spread a message that never had a clear plan behind it on how to actually execute it. "Save Project Reality" is a slogan I can get behind, but every time I typed something like it, I was scared I could hurt the game. A selfish part of me would really love to believe I have that power. To save or hurt a game, make some kind of an impact. Coming here I've realized I would rather change people than the game itself. But even that power is a double-edged sword. This could and probably will be used against me at some point by some assholes. But I realize who I should actually talk to: the sensible people left in this community who have a genuine positive impact. I've thought a lot about what can be done, the larger picture. I don't think I have any realistic solutions or remedies. I can repeat a lot of wisdoms that we all can come to by ourselves. "Be good to each other, be a better community" is the type of stuff I wrote in my drafts in the past months. That doesn't cut it. I don’t want to be preachy. I don’t want to emotionally manipulate you. I don't want to claim I have the one and only truth we should abide by. Because my perspective is somewhat limited. Mostly by my proximity to PRTA and not having played more the spiritual successors of PR, which I will come to later. Nothing lasts forever. If anything, I'm surprised PR has survived for this long. Because in many regards, it wasn’t supposed to. The older generations of PR devs always wanted to branch out. To different games, engines and maybe even concepts. But PR is still here. It's kind of amazing how many obstacles and dramas we've (and especially, some of you) witnessed and are still here for some reason. Why PR:BF2 remained the most beloved version of PR is that it had the snowball effect of being the oldest version. By default, it always had more time and resources poured into it. Even when the devs tried to port the concept to ArmA and other places. Let's also not forget that PR wouldn’t be what it is without BF2 – it was the perfect game. And PR, the perfect idea: both combined together to make something truly special. I also want to point out the ingenuity some moders came up with, which gave us gameplay systems like kits, deployables, AAS and many other things BF2 wasn’t designed to do. Those people displayed some real technical creativity in finding workarounds in a web of systems in order to create this total concept modification. Would love to list some names here, but there’s literally too many of them! 20/07: There are other reasons why PR has survived though. The most common answer to the age-old question "Why keep playing?" is still: “there's nothing quite like it out there”. PR successfully carried over BF2's “jump in and play” type of consumption. PR is what PR is and we don't really question what it should be. Other games like ArmA are a lot more micro community driven. More customizable and mod driven, which fractures the playerbase into tiny segments that rarely interact with each other. In PR we have less branches to distract us from the core game. By the way I'm sorry I have to compare ArmA and PR to each other so much, but that's kind of the extent of the mil sim genre. Hell, plenty of times I've been told PR is not a mil sim. I totally see the points people make, but I also can't compare it to games in the larger tactical genre. The scale is way bigger than R6 or CS and the gameplay a lot more warried than Ghost Recon or SOCOM. Another aspect to keep in mind is that the tactical shooter genre itself didn’t do great circa 2007-2012 or about there-ish. Will have to make some assumptions and educated guesses here to convey this point. PR was the ultimate mod for BF2. Everything was touched up: assets, game modes, sounds, graphics. There’s very little vanilla BF2 content left in PR these days. It absorbed a large amount of attention for its scale of vision. PR also remained as crown of the BF moding scene for that long because moding support was dying. It never went away, but it was a shadow of its former self. I was personally incredibly excited about BF3's announcement. But the moding part never came with it. I don’t want to blame the 7th generation of consoles for lacking of moding in PC gaming at the time, but rather the devs. And maybe they had a reason to cut costs and features. So, I will just blame the economic crisis. But let's be serious here: it was the generation that introduced MP gaming to consoles. It was a no brainer to make them (Bad Company anybody?). Neglecting (and sometimes ignoring) the PC market was a mistake, but the benefits are being sown now by everybody: PC gaming is at its best and more is on the horizon (ray tracing and AI). If anything, focusing so much on consoles became the downfall of that gen, because when it was time to leave it behind, a lot of damage was already done and trust had to be rebuilt. But PC gaming was bound to come back. The consoles aged and more attention was starting to be allocated to PC ports, because they were becoming the bigger and better versions (think of BF3 on 360/PS3). Some incredibly forward-thinking people saw that and invested early into efforts like UE4, which is becoming the Source of our generation, but even better. Yes, let's talk about SQUAD. Honestly, even as I type this, I dread talking about it. I think it's a pretty complex topic and tied much closer to PR than we would like to admit sometimes. I say that because, amidst all the circlejerking and "hate" this thing is getting, there're lots of things to pay attention to. In many ways I admire the fact that a bunch of PR devs (past and present at the time) just decided to make something. Not wait for PR2 (oh God) or something else to magically sprung out of the ground and continue PR’s legacy. No, they took a chance on UE4 and Kickstarter. Looking back, not the most rock-solid way to make a successor to a 10 year old mod. Maybe both of these things were their first mistake. But where did it all go wrong? I don’t think there's a specific moment I can pinpoint to. OWI is a private company and it’s hard to tell what caused this. But the public version of events we will know and remember it by is the slow development process of SQUAD. And I say that being in the PR community, where nothing good happens on time. That's in the nature of moding: it's voluntary work (and I do mean that) and takes longer than a commercial game. But SQUAD was the commercial chance for PR to expand beyond being just a mod (PR2 never got off the ground it seems). A counter argument I would like to make is the history of Trauma Studios. Yes, those guys, without whom BF2 wouldn't be what it is and therefore PR as well. They made the Desert Combat mod for BF1942, which was also very popular in its day. They inspired and eventually helped DICE prototype BF2 after being acquired by them for half a mill. But they got totally shunted before BF2 even shipped. But the people founded a new studio under the name Kaos Studios, a new arm of THQ (olden). And well, let me tell you how unready they were to make a AAA game called Homefront. As many ideas and much talent they might've had, transitioning from moding to commercial/AAA was a difficult process to adjust to. Many moder's dream is to make "real" games one day. It's a gateway into game development. But it's not always easy or smooth. And you can see where I'm going with it: as much as I love PR and the work done by its talented dev members – the transition to SQUAD doesn't feel right. But should we as a community give them a bit of a leeway? Maybe. As I eluded to this earlier: the question of "what the hell happened?" is a lot harder to answer and the arguments are back and forth. No matter which side you are on after all that said, I still can't be bothered to be outraged about what OWI have done here. I'm disappointed. But me being mad is not going to move things forward. Dwelling on what-ifs is largely pointless, but sometimes I can't stop but wonder how different things would’ve been be if SQUAD didn't exist. What if everybody just stayed as a big family and continued developing this great mod we call PR. But, that's a pointless fantasy, because reality is much scarier and dynamic than friends coming together to have some fun. Conflict, decay and whatever other negative things you can associate with the small village I'm in right now, also apply to PR, your circle of friends, neighborhood, whatever. Not to mention that some who had already left and stopped contributing to PR came back to develop SQUAD. It's a little bit cruel to expect perfection from people and then call them traitors or frauds when they **** up. Mistakes were made, no doubt, but I have a feeling most of us were too late to spot them. I give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to be stupid. But I don't want to allow anybody to be malicious, which I don't think is the case with OWI. I love PR so dearly. No game has given me so much for so little. No game has given me a big circle of friends as it did. "PR is life" (or at least gaming life) and that type of phraseology is used by many of us. It's kind of a lifestyle. Once you are sucked in, it's hard to break out. Most people reading this can sympathize with these statements. In previous drafts I started to compare PR to World of Warcraft. Yes, a chuckle might be warranted here, but I can't get that comparison out of my head. For some of us PR is our MMO. And you know what they say about those: the first one is always the best one, most cherished. Some side by side aspects don’t match at all, I'm well aware. We are at heart playing a competitive tactical shooter, which is as far as you can get away from a grindy, loot driven RPG. But we do roleplay, we do learn many new skills, join clans and what not. Invest ourselves into an ecosystem. My biggest regret about PR will forever be not being here earlier. I wish I learned English sooner, was a little bit more inquisitive, gave things a bigger chance. But I'm flawed. I'm incredibly flawed. I have just as many negative traits about me as positive ones. As of late I'm making strides towards one from the latter category: namely the "don't delay shit" one. 01/08: As with other long projects I’ve worked on, staring this long and this close at the work I’ve done makes me unable to see the larger puzzle I’ve assembled here. That little voice always finds its way into my head, telling me to give up. So, I want to do my best by getting this out there. Not be shy, or at least less than the usual. Writing something like this and then tweaking it takes a long time. This is the farthest I’ve made into one of these “drafts”. At least conveyed the most and best succinctly (which are two words that don’t go together that well). It’s always scary to think about what happens after the light. Sometimes it’s worth it, sometimes not so much. 20/07: I will stop that emotional tirade there, before it gets really bad, like my other drafts, which are super cringey. One of my main focuses with this essay is to keep things grounded and realistic. I might've already failed. You tell me. I know people hate long walls of text, but honestly, I don't know how else I'm supposed to tell you how I feel. A few paragraphs are just not enough to convey the amount of information I'm trying to here. Ever since last year, around this time, I haven’t been able to stop thinking about PR and the larger picture it fits in. While I don’t want to see it "die" per say, I don’t even know if it's "living". I sound like those people who I hate and who proclaim every game is dead after they stop playing it (because deep down they are dead inside, or so my insult goes). With the few thousand unique players we have each month, I can't in good conscience declare PR as dead, but I can't say we are thriving either. Talking about player numbers is a very dangerous game. In videogames land, it's the opposite of automobile accident statistics: the safer you say the roads are, the more reckless people become and increase those accident numbers. Sometimes we like to feel sorry for ourselves by endlessly speculating when a game will die, not realizing that's exactly what a more casual fan doesn't want to hear: how soon will their investment (money and time) be completely worthless. It's what killed LawBreakers. The game was fine and unfortunately competing with Overwatch, but what really dwindled those numbers down was everybody talking about how this week there's even less people playing it. A similar fate, but to a lesser degree recently occurred to Valve's Artifact. Also, I’m aware of the irony with it: Valve somehow forgot how to support a “live service game”, after supporting 3 of them for 6 years and not make anything else. I'm all for freedom of information and transparency, but why can't we enjoy things for what they are? Which is what's kept PR alive for this long. The game is affected much less by doom and gloom player number statistics because there's nothing else in there to do but play it. No competitive ladders to climb; cosmetics and achievements to grind; ranks to earn based on time invested. Whatever you put in is what you get out of it. I for one am a great medic in PR. Whenever I'm exceptional and people say "Thank you" or "Good job" I truly take it to heart. I get a certain type of social fulfilment that other games don’t give me. And I think that's true for a lot of people. The social aspect of PR might be its biggest innovation. By design or accident, the community embraced the Mumble system we take for granted these days. And some communities rightfully chose to make it a requirement for all players in their servers. Communication breeds character into these 3D models with actual humans on the other side. Which brings me to the community of ours and how it relates to the other games inspired by PR: SQUAD, Hell Let Loose, PR:BF3, Post Scriptum. The biggest reason I can't invest more time into them is content. SQUAD has the most in that group of games and all of it still doesn’t even come close to PR's. Not just maps or factions. But systems in general are missing (commanders) or lack polish and tweaking (vehicles), which makes them frustrating to use. But the second biggest reason is the community. Which is just not “there” yet. In SQUAD things are always changing (with updates and stuff) and the community itself doesn't have time to fully develop metas. Choppers will disrupt things again very soon for example and I wouldn’t be surprised if the matches don’t depend on who has the better pilots. By all means, keep fleshing things out, add new things, necessary things. But 4 years is a long time and people will be tired of waiting and especially older PR players might become apprehensive about becoming more active. We are just starting to see some real results and decisions that are positively impacting the SQUAD community (tutorials and tweaking spawn systems). PR itself sure took its sweet time to mature and for things to settle down. I hope OWI can emulate that in SQUAD. I personally believe they are on a positive track. The last 2 years were a bit bumpy, but this year they are picking up pace and want to deliver a v1.0. But I'm most curious as to what happens after that. PR's main focus was always its BF2 version and everything else was secondary. But for OWI that's not going to be the case, at least by what I can tell. They are a game studio after all. Nobody likes working on a single idea forever (unless your game is a cash-cow like LOL, which SQUAD isn’t). They will focus less and less on SQUAD until they have something else to put their efforts in. What will happen by then? Will the SQUAD player base figure itself out? What about these other games? Will all of these games cultivate real communities that will take care of themselves? 22/07: Honestly, that's all I can really hope for. But it's not realistic to expect for every community to become like ours: small but stable. If I've learned anything about this industry, is that things take a long time to come together. Why is PR the way PR is depends on a lot of factors I went through before. It's not a farfetched idea that all of these games will eventually become their own things, no matter how similar they might be to PR. You can't really replicate the success of something somewhere else. History is written only once, but even when it seems to repeat itself, the details are different. Here I want to insert some thoughts about jealousy. All of these newer and shiner games have made some people jealous, because they get the credit, popularity and media attention. And PR is just this forgotten husk of an ugly and toxic environment. Does any of that even matter? Does that take away anything from us? I would point to the contrary actually. I've met people in PR who said they heard about us through SQUAD or PS. That doesn't mean those games are marketing tools for PR, but it shows to me that a game like PR will remain great in other people's minds no matter what. And by "not matter what" I mean until those games become great as well. I really don't care if anybody looks through the history of SQUAD and where it came from. I don’t go around being mad at people for not looking at the PR Timeline I made. By that logic we should all go and try to resurrect the Desert Combat mod for BF1942. I'm a say "live and let live" on that one. I also want PR to get media attention, but we often don’t get to choose what kind it is. It could result in our shutdown or the release of Refractor 2 engine' source code for all I know. I would keep my head down. Even typing that sentence is dangerous in my opinion. Knowing how EA shutdowns shit all the time, nobody is sure how've evaded their radar this long. But my gut tells me they would've closed this whole operation a while ago if they wanted to, before GameSpy and ReviveBF2. Another what-if I think about often is "what would ('ve) happen (ed) if Refractor 2 is (was) made public"? Looking at how that engine was milked, even when Frostbite was the main technology DICE was using, when BF Heroes/P4F were around: it's unrealistic to expect them to just give it away like id Tech is. DICE didn't really license their engine, until Frostbite was made and could be used on racing and RPG games. It Refractor was given away though, no doubt that would’ve had a major effect on how PR evolved. Firstly, PR would’ve been kept more modern as the years went on by. And secondly a healthier BF moding scene would’ve benefited us directly. I would still like to imagine one day that will happen. It all depends on how copyright, license, IP and patent holding laws change. I'm going to be hopeful, even with the way the world is heading towards to (Disney). Not sure how much impact it would have on PR if it happens in the “waay future” though. Our game would have to be there to tell the tale. On the other hand, we have the topic of moding BF3 with Frostbite, which is an even more complicated topic that I'm super curious how it evolves. PR:BF3 is exciting on its own right, but moding in Frostbite is the real story here. In many ways I can see BF3 becoming the new home of PR. The amount of work required to do that is probably no even comparable to PR:BF2. Even if everybody chips in it would probably take 10 years. Anybody who knows anything about game dev will tell you that half the battle is creating the tools for production. The rest is design, content and finally putting it all together which is often described as "landing a plane on fire". Not a job for people like me. One thing I actually want other people's opinion on is on the topic of streamer culture surrounding games like PR and SQUAD. I kind of cringe whenever I watch people “unrelated to our scene” play "our” games on Twitch because they are the “next big thing in the tactical shooter genre”, but... let's be honest: that's a shitty outlook and I want to get rid of it. It makes me look like a hipster and not the good kind. Really though, it’s the jealousy thing I talked about. An actual problem I see generating is stream sniping. In my humble ignorant opinion this phenomenon is a much bigger issue in a game with 99 other people who put a lot of effort in this delicate tug of war. These games are inherently competitive and one way they are different from other games is obfuscating as much as possible information about the enemy and creating a reliance on real voice communication. My question is what can be done to minimize this? Delays are the obvious answer, but streamers don't like doing that. On one hand I don't want my games to be ruined by this kind of shit. I just have to look at how Bluedrake used to get trolled. He is a playful guy in general, but even he was frustrated by that and stopped streaming PR. I much prefer the medium of YouTube, where you can cut the boring parts. I realize I'm telling other people how to do their jobs here. Feel free to bring me a few notches down on this one. Here's a nitpick: I think most early access games on Steam are trash. Not because they lack content, but because they are not fun. Not yet at least. One thing I really took from the developer of Spy Party is that his game was already fun very early in development. But fleshing that out and adding more depth to it was difficult (especially for a 1-man team). And I have to tell you, SQUAD is not that fun. It doesn't have that much depth. Yet. I have to say that especially about Post Scriptum. That game is still not in 1.0 stage and I don't understand why it was never in Early Access. On the other hand, we have Hell Let Loose, which is lacking content, but it knows what it is and is tuned to be fun with what's already there. It's a self-aware game. I especially can't say that about the earlier versions of SQUAD. That game was not fun at all 2-3 years ago. The reason why I used jump in at every Alpha milestone was to check out their progress and new content. It was nowhere near a good candidate to snatch me away from PR. And I can't stress enough how bad it is for games in perpetual Early Access to keep themselves alive on content alone. And I’ve seen people treat SQUAD that way. This especially happens to SP games. MP ones can get away with it because they are intrinsically social experiences. And especially games like PR attract more social people. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, but SQUAD needs to keep becoming a deeper game and promote more social interactions between its players. Being a “stickier” game is more important than having content. While we are on the topic of "more stuff", can I emphasize the importance of moding? I'm very glad OWI is paying close attention to mods and is open to adding community made stuff into the main game. How that stuff is chosen and compensated for is a whole another essay that I'm not even qualified to write about right now. I'm so glad about the new auto mod downloading feature OWI added recently to SQUAD (ala Source engine games). That is a big barrier between people and mods gone. 24/07: While I was trying to finish putting every point I wanted to make in the article, I stumbled upon a Reddit post which was proposing something I’ve already seen but kind a forgot to include here, so here are my thoughts about a hypothetical PR mod for SQUAD. As things stand right now, SQUAD would totally be my next “home” per say if PR died today and right here. It’s the closest thing we have to PR and it’s the furthest one along in this new generation of PR successors. That last word is important, because Merlin himself talks about that in the post. He says that from the get go SQUAD’s goal was not to be a sequel, but a spiritual successor. While that’s not a new point to keep in mind, he reminded me of the fact that SQUAD is not necessarily going for the realism aspect PR did so many years ago. PR was the darling of the moding scene when it comes to how realistic vanilla BF2 could be made. It was definitely an objective the devs pursued. I think that’s pretty apparent if you look at the very early years. But SQUAD isn’t and apparently wasn’t. But it did go for the teamwork and communication aspect, which are the two words that stand between every DNA strand of PR. Which makes me want to question how couldn’t they cultivate that “culture”, as Merlin put it, in SQUAD? Because in my opinion, that culture is everything that’s right about PR. Also that leads to people “ranking up” in the community. It’s been a crucial aspect as to why PR survived for this long. It’s a community driven game, unlike other devs who control every little aspect of their creation (like Overwatch or something). It’s old-school. Normal players eventually become squad leaders and they eventually become admins/moderators and then community managers and then moders themselves and after that developers. Some steps might be skipped there, but that’s how PR has been kept alive this whole time. People step up and contribute. This is what should happen to SQUAD. Especially after OWI switches its focus on something else. As many great people have left the PR community, somebody always replaces them. Otherwise things wouldn’t work properly. I say that with us waiting half a decade for PR:WW2 to be fully integrated into main PR. The reason for the wait is a shortage of specialized devs, but my point half stands on one leg since every PR release is less ambitious than the last. Thus, requiring less people and allowing for more to leave the community behind them. Yeah, my point just fell on its arse there I think. But the community is also more patient and less needy, there’s my counter argument. My point is: a culture of responsibility and self-sacrifice must be bred. And I know how that sounds on paper. I’m not trying to turn a gaming community into a totalitarian micro society here. What I’m saying is: people are not going to stuck to a shallow game forever. Something else will catch their eye and it better not give them what you don’t have. The more you give, the more you get in life. Helping other people pick themselves up and become bigger and better characters is not something everybody does. Truly great squad leaders (like Filamu, sorry for burdening you with this responsibility) are the bridge between total newbies (like I was in 2015) and those who see something more in a game like this. A greater purpose to serve, lead by example and cultivate meaningful relationships. Is SQUAD going to do that? Can a PR mod for it patch that gap? Merlin was actually a great sport in that post. Here I was going to say how ironic it would be for people to make a PR mod for the game that’s supposed to replace PR. But if that’s what it takes to survive and take things to the next step, somebody out there should definitely get on that. And not even in any spiteful or giving a middle finger way. 22/07: So, now that I'm done with the preamble, we can get to the real meat in this... whatever this is. This next part is going to be even longer. Depending on you. [Recommended soundtrack: What We Leave Behind by Scot Tobin] What PR really means to me is: it's a vehicle for storytelling with other people. After a while they all mush together, but together, in a beautiful and heartwarming way. The people we meet. The moments we create. As much as I've written here: the emotional tirades and philosophical trains of thoughts I've led you through, all of it is supposed to make you think about your experiences with PR. My goal with this... piece... is to inspire you to tell your own version of this phenomenon we call PR. Maybe you call it something else, something not even I know about while typing this. 23/07: When I started my PR journey back in 2015, I had no idea I would take things this far. A small part of me wanted to really embed itself in the community. I've always been a fan of the Battlefield games, but I've always enjoyed them as solo experiences. I watched the franchise become way too big for its own good, which is resulting in questionable decisions when it comes designing and shipping new games. I can rant on a longer piece than this on why things are just not right with BF. So I just said to myself that I had enough. I found out that PR had become fully standalone, which was major reason to try it (again). It's kind of difficult to remember what I was really looking for and expecting out of this underground scene. But when I did start playing, I thought this was a logical evolution of what BF should've become. That's something you've either never thought about or something you realized years ago, but not thought about since. I felt like an idiot when I discerned it. Also want to point out how hard for DICE must be to make new BF games because “everybody” is a BF veteran these days. People from different eras look for different things in them. So yeah... **** BF. For me PR chiseled this clear line of “before and after” starting to play it in my gaming “career”. I know other people who feel like this as well, even some who do it subconsciously. PR reshuffled my priorities of what I value about MP games. No BF is the same anymore. I've started soloing other MP games less and less. It's just boring without my friends. I don’t think there will be many other games in my life that do this to me. Call it "the MMO effect" or whatever, but I would propose we are very lucky to have PR. It's a generational thing. Perfect base game, timing, and team who tapped into something and harnessed it. We've made it pretty far, farther than many. It's sad to look at some other great mods and how they've become these "weekend only" games where there's populated servers only on the weekends. I don't want to see PR become that. I don’t want to have to play COOP or nothing. Maybe this view is a bit controversial, but I think PR is the best it's ever been... in terms of content, balance and systems. But the community aspect has declined more and more. And visibly so since I've been able to observe things first hand. If anything can end PR, it will probably be us: the community. Dramas, posturing, sniping and etc. are not what we need. I'm saving my energy for the darkest days... and for things like this. 27/07: Originally I was going to publish this anonymously. It had more mystery behind it. That should tell you something about how I was approaching the whole thing. It was a bit cowardice. I realized I couldn’t and wouldn’t want to hide forever. 01/08: For that reason, I say don’t even try to. Having opinions is fine. Having “wrong” opinions is also fine. Sharing, venting out and talking to other people about your problems is fine. A lot of fears and anxieties I have diminish every time I hear others describe them. People are often spot on on how I feel sometimes. I’ve never heard anybody talk about this one, maybe you can help me. Or maybe I should seek actual help. Do you sometimes think you are more “emotional” at late hours in the day? Like when you go to bed and can’t fall asleep? You think about all the things you want to do and how you really feel about some people. Next morning those feelings and desires are diminished. You are back at being your old self: boring and unwilling to do anything of actual worth. Nights like those make me write this. If you feel the same way, even if not about PR, I would recommend talking to people. Anybody really. Have some faith in the fact that we are all the same on some level and can help each other. I hope this whole article doesn’t come off as a self-righteous piece about... about only me. It is about me and my opinions. But it’s meant to give out... something to out there. I can write more and tack on more topics. I realize there’s already a lot of them here, mushed and condensed into a mess. Somebody better than me can break these down to smaller pieces and package them in a more digestible manner, but that’s not gonna me. 23/07: So, that's it. By all means, feel free to respond if you disagree, have questions or anything similar. I'm listening (I crave the attention). Write it down below or send me a private message on firstname.lastname@example.org I'm looking forward to your story of how you got into this mess. I will read it all, probably over and over. I love people’s anecdotes about “the good old days”. I want to believe this is the start of a conversation. This is where you step in, please do so, Deviro
Squad is the spitirual successor of... Battlefield 2! I came to this conclusion after thinking how similar the history of BF2 and Squad are, forget the "spiritual successor of Project Reality", that is a thing of the past, Squad is on another level now, heading each time closer to the Battlefield series: mediocrity here's how I think BF2 and Squad are similar, and Squad is indeed the true spiritual successor of BF2: 2004 - BF2 demo shows how awesome BF2 will be (schedueled to release in 2005) 2014 - Squad is shown on the PR forums, and we crapped our pants, it will be awesome 2005 - BF2 releases, but DICE starts changing the game drastically (thanks EA, you suck) and shifiting it from its original plan 2015-2019 - Squad does the same thing, so many bad choices in the game design I wont talk here 2005 - Project Reality mod is born, and still alive, fixing mistakes and making what BF2 should have been in the first place 2019-2020 - Will we have a PR mod being born? if so, this will conclude the final step in making Squad the true spiritual successor of BF2 fixing such severe mistakes can only be done in a mod, at least Squad has mod support (thanks DEVs) like BF2 did, and when this happens, Squad will be the true successor of BF2, because they will have a lot in common that it cant be denied Now I understand why changes were (and are) being made, because 99% of the players are not PR vets, and really making a true spiritual successor of PR would not "sell well" or "please most players", because PR is hardcore, and was made for "special players", but I feel sad to have helped this game in the past, and now years later to see how far away it really is from what I envisioned it would be I find myself playing this game each time less and less, because I find it hard to "bear its standard" now, but also because of lack of time But not all is lost, there is the mod support and a big community, hopefully Squad will continue to be updated in the next years, and something cool may come, like DEVs like to say "soon", so who knows...
A13 came out bringing so many bad features, making the game even more arcade that what it already was then on the same week I played the new version of Sandstorm, which included a new gamemode called Hardcore, and I had this idea, we need something like this in Squad too... a new gamemode called Hardcore, or whatever in this gamemode, you will be kicked on the balls and punched to the face with these changes: - suppression works both ways <==> | >==< - no nametags rendering through walls, no nametags or friendly icons above heads beyond 50 meters - no ZOOM for nonscoped guns, only weapon steadiness when pressed SHIFT (but make it last longer, 10 secs?) - rework of stamina system, because now its unrealistic - greatly decrease max sprint speed (around 25% slower that current speed, much more realistic) - bring back INSTA-DEATH (why devs?), and make it 3 minutes cooldown - remove the magical buddy rally these features shoundnt use much "dev time" to put in the game, and if you do so, and the mode is well accepted, we can have more sophisticated stuff in later releases cant wait to play on something like this...
I dislike so much the "forced zoom" that was introduced in v10, please allow us to not be forced to zoom in when all I want is simply ADS no need for the zoom, it's annoying, make it like PR please then again, when I want is to "focus" for a clear shot, I have even more zoom, please, all I want is to be steady, not to zoom in 1x in the target there is no scope in the gun, then I dont want the zoom my suggestion, is to unbind the "forced zoom" from the "focus" (gun steadiness), maybe in the menu we can choose, so we can disable it then, when disable, it would be like this: Right click: ads (no zoom) Shift: steady (no zoom) please, you fixed the nametags, maybe you can do this too? give the hardcore players this... thx edit: also, having the screen moving forwards and backwards everytime is horrible for CQB
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Kamerad Bryce posted a topic in General DiscussionEach of the vehicles in this game whose real world equivalents have turn signals and horns, technical are the first to come to my mind, need to have turn signals and horns control settings. You are more able to communicate with your fellow team members. This game is really missing out! Thank you, and I stand by my thoughts and decision to advocate this assertion.
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Note: These are my personal opinions. Feel free to IGNORE, IMPLEMENT them or use them as INSPIRATION. Thanks. I want Squad to be the new and improved Project Reality: BF2. Basics: many different factions (add Islamic State/ISIS/ISIL?)many different maps [around the world]many different vehicles (tanks, apcs, etc. driver + gunner)many different classes/kitsat least AAS and Insurgency gamemodesMumble or some other communication software: squad radio, proximity team voice chat, etc.buildable FOBs, wire fence, etc.IEDs, trip mines, etc. standard PR stuffsquads (of course)Other stuff: steam workshop - custom maps (don't know how would people make them though)steam workshop - custom mods (Vietnam, WW2, etc.; (don't know how would people make them though)gun recoilsuppression effectgun sway (prone - no sway; crouch - almost no sway; standing - little sway; prone crawling - well you can't fire so n/a; crouch walking - some sway; standing walking - most sway; running - well you can't fire so n/a)damage indicators (from which side)bullet dropbullet Coriolis effect - very long range (sniper)muzzle flashrealistic sound travel speed - first you see an explosion, then you hear itdestructible walls, houses, bunkers, etc. [of course not everything though]new free-for-all gamemode Battle Royale (http://battleroyalegames.com/ for more info)random loot spawn system around map; pickup ammo, guns, etc. [if Battle Royale gets implemented]actual night-vision goggles for night mapsmap weather (snow, rain, sandstorm, snowstorm, etc.)flashbangs [if there'll be special forces/hostage scenarios/etc.]another proximity voice chat type in order to be able to talk to enemies (similar to proximity team voice chat)hostage situations (or even a hostage rescue gamemode - US Navy SEALs and stuff...)/other interesting scenarios [if global proximity voice chat is implemented]silencers for weapons [if hostage situations get implemented]have the ability to pick up enemy guns, but NOT their whole kits (nice for Insurgency)pulling out a pistol should be faster than reloading your main gun (for those kits that have a pistol)zipties shouldn't kill insurgents, instead arrest them and put them somewhere [or have them transported somewhere, etc.] (they can still be rescued by other fellow insurgents) Also, I won't be donating, but I will buy Squad as soon as it is available on Steam! Good luck devs!
unfrail posted a topic in General Discussion-redacted- Im interested in the conversation, but I'm concerned its an unproductive circlejerk. Perhaps it needs to be deleted. I'll let the mods decide.