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Niklasgunner posted a topic in General DiscussionLike many on this forum I've played since the first alpha. Seeing the game shape up to something truly worth playing is great, but the devs seem to have driven shadow quality down a lot as a hasty way to improve performance. While the overall color palette in regards to lighting has improved compared to earlier version of the game, shadow quality has gone to a point I personally find a bit ridiculous for a game being developed this decade. Sadly I no longer have any of the older builds to check, but in pre-steam versions shadow quality was good enough for every bit of grass to draw it's own shadow, so I went through youtube to find an example for this. After the developers messed around a bit with distant field shadows in v6 ( which were promptly removed for performance reasons ) shadow quality took a major hit. Shadow resolution has gone so low that grass lacks any kind of shadow now. This was before the overall color palette for all the maps changed, so it doesn't look as bad now, but shadow resolution seems to pretty much have remained the same, which is dissapointing. This is pretty much what the game looks like now. The above screenshots are with all settings on EPIC. While Squad isn't a great looking game and considering it's scale it probably never will be, still it gets the job done. But shadows, even on epic, look downright BAD, there is no other way to put this. Some maps, and even some map layers, are more guilty than other. Shadow resolution is so low that even player models aren't more than blurry blobs, we had better looking shadows back in Battlefield 2. I know that many people have trouble running the game still, but is there any chance that we can get a bit of an upgrade in this area? We used to be able to set shadow resolution seperately, why not go back to that? Looking back at how sharp everything used to look, it is painful to see how ugly the game has become. Lighting is probably THE MOST important factor, more than textures or geometry, to the overall looks of a scene. Pick any game released a decade ago and they had better looking shadows.
LaughingJack posted a topic in ArchiveHi All, Having Troubles with dynamic lighting: Before peeps suggest or link to tutes or docs - i have watched and read extensively (like, most of last weekend) as much as i could find related to this. One thing i did discover form my trawling is that UE's Dynamic Lighting is pretty rough and not very accurate (read: Crappy) I also bcame quite confused after being informed that Squad's lighting is fully dynamic, yet most (non-Squad)"fixes" advise adding in Static lighting elements as well as other Lighting "Helpers" - turning "Easy" Dynamic Lighting into a brain-melt. extra info for the above link: my buildings using Corrugated-Iron-over-Frame for roofs and walls have a 5mm gap between the Frame and the Iron. i have also asked in the Gen Disc thread about the possibility of the VXGI thing happening - looks lightyears ahead of UE's homebrand lighting. one last thing: is it possible for the Dev(s) to post about their default setup and settings? i have tried to copy the Jensens lighting but i must be missing something still. Cheers! .LJ
Curious about everyone's opinions regarding maps with bright, sunny light (like Chora) or maps that are darker, more overcast lighting (like Sumari or Yehorivka v1). I ask this because I have found that I personally prefer darker maps far more, to the point where I am less likely to join bright maps, as not only have I found dark lighting visually much more pleasant and less harsh on the eyes, but I find I have not an insignificant jump in performance on darker maps. I get poor frames on Yehorivka v2 (the bright one), yet decent frames on Yehorivka v1. Wondering what everyone else's opinions are on this? I personally would love to see more dark or at least darker lighting on future maps.
Niklasgunner posted a topic in General DiscussionSquad is a very good looking game after V8, the ambience and lighting changes have done wonders, which is no suprise since lighting probably is the most important factor in achieving photorealism. Still, there is something really off about some of the foliage in the game, and I don't think I'm just nitpicking either. It is mainly the grass, and it is killing the looks of an otherwise pretty game. Look at these two screenshots, both seem fairly realistic and the general color palette seems right, this is how Squad shoud ideally look most of the time, the thing is, it doesn't. What I did is, I intentionally hid most of the grass foliage. Often you will be looking at something like this: Here something feels very off. I believe that it is the mainly the attempt to add shadows to the grass texture itself, which seems weird since that wouldn't happen on a bright sunny day, where the light would just shine through. The grass also seems too lush and long for such an arid terrain. But there are much worse examples. In these two images, the grass foliage looks WAY to dark, and clashes with the otherwise grey environment. It happens when you face towards the sun. This is most noticeable on the overcast version of Logar Valley, where the constrast between dark, even close to black, grass clashes with an otherwise bright grey ground texture. You also notice this black grass sticking out on the second picture at the beginning off the thread, on the right side behind the poppy field. It kinda makes my eyes bleed. Fools Road is also a bad offender at this, but it is not as noticeable since its environment is mostly green, but on grey hillsides there still is the same foliage/ground contrast clash. For the end of this Thread, here is an example about how I think it should probably look like. On Kohat, the grass is a lot more fitting, it doesn't clash with the dry ground, it looks how you expect grass to look in an arid country. Having some lush grass on maps like chora, where there is irrrigation streams everywhere, or logar valley, makes sense, I don't want them to look like dry wastelands, but they just seem too randomly placed, too dark and too lush to fit into the environments. Same goes for the hillshides on Fools Road. I don't expect the mappers to redo all grass foliage, which would be a stupid amount of work, but maybe change those specific foliage textures to be more fitting? Do people agree? Am I being silly about this? There is times when the game looks really amazing, especially on Kohat and Gorodok, but I am convinced that the unfitting foliage is dragging down the visuals of an otherwise really good looking game.
I'm sure there are people who's job it is to make the pretty graphics paying attention to this stuff and doesn't need me to bring it to their attention, but as spectator and graphics enthusiast I thought this was cool to read. Would love to see this particularly for the sake of the trees. https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?69307-The-state-of-Distance-Field-GI-in-4-8&p=287243&viewfull=1#post287243 "we have some pretty big optimizations for DFAO that get it down to ~4ms on PS4 in large game scenes (Fortnite and Kite Demo). These won't make it into 4.8." https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Rendering/LightingAndShadows/DistanceFieldAmbientOcclusion/index.html#foliageocclusion
Now, I don't know if this is a dumb question, but does SQUAD use any form of physical based rendering/shading system at present? After a friend of mine who I was playing SQUAD with on the weekend pointed out that the plants look slightly plastic/shiny at the moment, whereupon I started talking about physical based rendering and how it addresses the uniform 'plastic' reflective lighting that a lot of objects in games tend to have. This generally addresses the different reflectivity properties of physical materials ingame so that they have approximations to real life levels of light permeability, opacity and reflectivity. To my highly unskilled observation I didn't THINK such a system is being used in SQUAD at the moment (correct me if I'm wrong please!!). After reading up I discovered that UE4 is definitely now listing physically based rendering/shading as a feature, and if it's not implemented at present is it something the developers are thinking about?